[Owasp-board] [Global_conference_committee] Loss from AppSec Asia
jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Dec 7 18:58:16 UTC 2011
Well said Sarah.
I think there are a few situations that we want to consider:
*1) An organizer did budgeting well, they kept within budget and were
responsible leaders, but attendees did not show up*. In this case we
may wish to help more.
2) An organizer set a budget, but far exceeded the budget with
irresponsible purchases or lack of good research, but the conference was
a success via attendance and profit*. Even if the conference was a
success, we probably want to discourage poor planning somehow.
*3) An organizer set a budget, far exceeded the budget, and the
conference was not a success due to poor attendance*. Someone is going
to have to shell out a LOT of money to make up for these oversights.
*4) An organizer did not set a good budget.* This one should end here,
and OWASP should not support until a good budget has been set and
approved of by the GCC.
Just throwing out a few ideas to consider,
> I agree with capping the loss. I also think we should have some more
> strict budget requirements for global appsec conferences, especially
> when we have 3rd parties handling the money. If Alison is the one
> making payments and accepting money, we can check in with her at any
> point to find out the status of an event; however, we don't have this
> visibility/transparency right now with the 3rd parties.
> I think before we go forward with signing contracts for 2012 events
> (especially in Latin America and AsiaPac where they have not run the
> money through the Foundation), we should discuss and decide on a
> policy for this.
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org
> <mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org>> wrote:
> Matt ,
> As treasurer what are your thoughts on limiting liability for
> losses at global conferences. My view is If we don't do this we
> are leaving the foundation exposed. Such a cap should be in a
> contract signed by the conference organisers?? It can be a % or a
> figure, but right now are we in a position if unlimited liability??
> Anyone, thoughts??
> On 7 Dec 2011, at 18:19, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org
> <mailto:sarah.baso at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> Alison -
>> Can you find look to see (or maybe you know off the top of your
>> head) if we sent any down payment or money (other than the
>> approx. $3222 sent recently to cover hotel costs) to China for
>> this conference. It probably would have been in late July or
>> August of this year?
>> They are currently at a $16,166.22 loss, but Frank Fan's company
>> (DBAppSecurity) still owes $4742 and SecZone has said they can
>> cover about $6,000 of the loss. The leaves about $5,500 for us to
>> possibly cover. I want to make sure we have a full financial
>> picture of what we have paid before anything is decided though.
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Mark Bristow
>> <mark.bristow at owasp.org <mailto:mark.bristow at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> I believe some of the loss will be realized by each party
>> Sent from my wireless device
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:33 AM, "Kate Hartmann"
>> <kate.hartmann at owasp.org <mailto:kate.hartmann at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> I know there is a documented loss for AppSec Asia for 2011.
>>> Is the foundation expected to reimburse SecZone for this
>>> loss? What was the agreement for the financials for this
>>> event. I know that much of this has come from Rip's
>>> personal account.
>>> We need to clear this up before the end of the year.
>>> Kate Hartmann
>>> Operations Director
>>> 301-275-9403 <tel:301-275-9403>
>>> www.owasp.org <http://www.owasp.org/>
>>> Skype: Kate.hartmann1
>>> <Copy of OWASP 2011 Appsec Asia cost-1128.xlsx>
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