[Owasp-board] Argentina Chapter

Eoin eoin.keary at owasp.org
Wed Nov 3 14:11:10 UTC 2010


Totally agree with Dinis on this issue.



On 3 November 2010 13:56, dinis cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:

> Seba, it might not be clear due to the content being in spanish but what is
> happening there is a blatant commercial advertisement of services
> and training courses provided by a 3rd party company inside an OWASP page.
>
> The example that Paulo mentions below is a case where the News sections of
> the Argentina page (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Argentina) is
> 'inviting' the OWASP community to this course
> http://www.bonsai-sec.com/es/education/web-security-buenos-aires.php (link
> on page) which costs 1700 USD and has a 20% discount to OWASP members. To
> make matters a bit worse the course is not about OWASP or one of its tools
> (it is about Web App Sec)
>
> There is also the logo and links to two commercial companies with offers of
> discounts to OWASP members.
>
> And Arturo (which has been a long time contributor for OWASP) has
> historically shown reservations on how the chapter is run (and its
> independence from commercial interests).
>
> My problem here is not the discount offered to OWASP members but the fact
> that there is no clear separation between an OWASP activity and a Commercial
> activity. We also have to make sure that this offer is open to ALL local
> companies and not just these two (which happen to be connected with the
> Argentinian chapter leadership)
>
> Dinis Cruz
>
>
> On 3 November 2010 13:10, Seba <seba at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> I will contact Martin.
>> But I don't see a big issue if owasp members are offered discounts to
>> publish this through chapter channels.
>>
>> --Seba
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Jeff Williams <jeff.williams at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>> > Has the current chapter lead been contacted?  I think step one is a
>> gentle reminder about how chapters should be run.
>> >
>> > --Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 30, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Paulo Coimbra" <paulo.coimbra at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Board,
>> >>
>> >> For your information, please see the file enclosed and the thread
>> below.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> - Paulo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Paulo Coimbra,
>> >> OWASP Project Manager
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [mailto:buanzo at buanzo.com.ar]
>> >>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Outubro de 2010 20:33
>> >>>> To: Paulo Coimbra
>> >>>> Cc: dinis cruz
>> >>>> Subject: Re: Argentina Chapter
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Paulo,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As I've always said, I fully support OWASP with my heart, not with my
>> >>>> pockets. I'm my current position as security advisor for the
>> >>>> argentinian national CERT, OWASP is always first in the list of
>> >>>> recommendations, even inside security reports, pentest results, etc.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That's what I can offer to OWASP with my currently limited time:
>> owasp
>> >>>> awareness in .gov.ar, and my name/presence whenever it is required,
>> as
>> >>>> long as it is useful for owasp.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't consider myself good at strategic advice, but I'd recommend
>> to
>> >>>> search for / create other OWASP chapters in Argentina, to stop the
>> >>>> current "monopoly".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Paulo Coimbra
>> >>>> <paulo.coimbra at owasp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> Arturo,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thank you for responding so candidly and swiftly. Your input helps
>> >>>> me to
>> >>>>> have a deeper and more ordered vision of what is happening in OWASP
>> >>>>> Argentina.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As you see, a Board Member is already being copied.  I will be
>> >>>> waiting for
>> >>>>> hierarchical directions and will keep you posted regarding
>> >>>> hypothetical
>> >>>>> further developments.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also, if you wished and had the cycles, I would be glad to hear your
>> >>>>> recommendation on the best course of action to deal with this
>> >>>> situation.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> - Paulo
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Paulo Coimbra,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> OWASP Project Manager
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [mailto:buanzo at buanzo.com.ar]
>> >>>>> Sent: sexta-feira, 29 de Outubro de 2010 19:24
>> >>>>> To: Paulo Coimbra
>> >>>>> Cc: dinis cruz
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Argentina Chapter
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Paulo, Dinis,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On other occasions I've brought up the fact that I did not like how
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> Argentinian chapter was being led.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In particular, you probably know that Martin Tartarelli is/was a
>> >>>> developer
>> >>>>> of Andres Riancho's w3af project. Also, Andres is the CEO of Bonsai
>> >>>>> security.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> All OWASP Argentina events, so far, have had or the University of
>> >>>> Buenos
>> >>>>> Aires engineering department and/or Bonsai related to them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm not sure if that's your concern, but if that is so, then I share
>> >>>> them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Paulo Coimbra
>> >>>> <paulo.coimbra at owasp.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dear Arturo,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Please see the enclosed file and look at the red signalled part on
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> image’s bottom.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I’ve talked with Dinis Cruz, copied above, about this issue and we
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> agreed on consulting you before any other considerations.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Please let us know your thoughts.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Enjoy the weekend and take care.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> - Paulo
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Paulo Coimbra,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> OWASP Project Manager
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >> <Argentina Chapter.JPG>
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