[Owasp-board] Watcher idea

Paulo Coimbra paulo.coimbra at owasp.org
Fri Jul 9 13:55:54 UTC 2010



Thank you for getting back to me.


You are right when you say that we usually don't ask to our project leaders
to sign this contract. In fact, it was the first time I did so. I have acted
in this way because it was also the first time I was asked by a project
leader about who would have the copyright and, being not 100% sure, I
decided to act safely.


Having into account your answer, if you agree, I will respond to the project
leader as follows:


"We've been informed by OWASP Board that, as long you keep your project
licensed according to one of the approved FLOSS licenses, you don't need to
sign the Assignment of Copyright Agreement." 






Paulo Coimbra,

 <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page> OWASP Project Manager


From: eoinkeary at gmail.com [mailto:eoinkeary at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Eoin
Sent: sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010 14:40
To: Paulo Coimbra; OWASP Foundation Board List
Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Watcher idea


May of our projects do not have this signed right?


So why should anyone do it if it is not necessary apart from the idea of
donating intellectual property to the Foundation.




On 9 July 2010 14:25, Paulo Coimbra <paulo.coimbra at owasp.org> wrote:

Hello Chris,


I thank your answer. Relatively to the exception of signing the Assignment
of Copyright Agreement that you are proposing, we need to hear from both
OWASP Board and its Projects Committee. I am sure they will respond us as
soon as possible.




Many thanks, best regards,


Paulo Coimbra,

 <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page> OWASP Project Manager


From: Chris Weber [mailto:chris at casabasecurity.com] 
Sent: sexta-feira, 9 de Julho de 2010 05:15
To: 'Paulo Coimbra'
Cc: 'Global Projects Committee'
Subject: RE: Watcher idea


Hi Paulo, with the exception of signing the Assignment of Copyright
Agreement I'd be happy to move Watcher and x5s to OWASP projects.  Let me
know if that's acceptable to you.


Best regards,


Chris Weber, CSSLP

Casaba Security, LLC

Sofware Security Products and Services

Mobile: (949) 637-4155

Email: chris at casabasecurity.com

www.casabasecurity.com <http://www.casabasecurity.com/>  




From: Paulo Coimbra [mailto:paulo.coimbra at owasp.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:08 AM
To: 'Chris Weber'
Cc: 'Global Projects Committee'
Subject: RE: Watcher idea


Hello Chris,


Thank you for getting back to us. Although I am copying carbon our Global
Projects Committee to give its members to correct my answers, please see
below my responses to your questions.


Best regards, 


Paulo Coimbra,

OWASP Project <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page>  Manager


From: Chris Weber [mailto:chris at casabasecurity.com] 
Sent: quarta-feira, 23 de Junho de 2010 23:40
To: 'Paulo Coimbra'
Subject: RE: Watcher idea


Hi Paulo, and thanks for the information.  I have a few questions.  One
project is release material, the other is beta.  We have a custom license
that is very BSD-like.  I'd be happy to provide a roadmap and such for the
GPC's review.


[pc] As a methodology to sustain the transition process, I propose we begin
by rating both releases as alpha ones until we have the opportunity to
assess them in accordance with the OWASP Assessment Criteria.


Please see:


http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Assessing_Project_Releases and


Currently our projects are hosted on Codeplex, is it okay to keep them
there?  Would I need to duplicate the wiki and release binaries on the OWASP


[pc] The source code and any documentation should be available in an online
project repository. We preferably use Google Code or Sourceforge. 


By setting up our tools as OWASP projects, do we maintain copyright on the
work or does OWASP seek that?  


[pc] OWASP proposes you sign up this
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Assignment_of_Copyright_Agreement Assignment
of Copyright Agreement. Please see also


How do we benefit by making our tools OWASP projects?  Is it more community
outreach and possible inclusion in the OWASP press materials like Top Ten
and tools to assist in finding them?


[pc] In a nutshell, I'd say OWASP could potentially bring more eyeballs as
well as potential contributors & money to your effort.









Many thanks, best regards,


Thank you,



From: Paulo Coimbra [mailto:paulo.coimbra at owasp.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:09 AM
To: chris at casabasecurity.com
Cc: 'Dave Wichers'; 'Kate Hartmann'; 'Global Projects Committee'
Subject: RE: **VL-JUNK** RE: Watcher idea


Hello Chris,


First of all, thank you for volunteering to lead two OWASP Projects.  It is
with volunteers like yourself that OWASP continues to succeed in making
application security visible.

Second, regarding your new leadership of these two projects, I'd like to
request that you send a project roadmap (one for each project) - basically
the high level details of where you'd like to take the projects.  The OWASP
Global Projects Committee (GPC) will look at the roadmap and provide
feedback on your projects:  suggesting projects which are closely related,
resources and contacts which may assist your efforts and any other
suggestions to increase your project's success.


To get your projects started, here are a couple of references for your

 - The Guidelines for OWASP Projects provide a quick overview of items key
to a projects success -

 - OWASP's Assessment Criteria is the metric by which projects are
evaluated.  There are three categories for projects: Alpha, Beta, and
Release.  The Assessment Criteria allows project leaders to know what
aspects of projects OWASP values -


 - OWASP's GPC blog - http://globalprojectscommittee.wordpress.com/,

Your projects will have an OWASP wiki page to inform and promote your
project to the OWASP community.  To setup your projects' page, please
provide the details below so that the GPC can establish your initial
projects pages.  The details provided will be used to complete OWASP's
projects template.  Feel free to add any additional information to wiki
pages or request assistance about how to add to your projects wiki page.

Details to create your projects page:
(0) Projects Names,

(1) Projects purposes / overview,
(2) Projects Roadmaps (as mentioned above),
(3) Projects links (if any) to external sites,
(4) Projects License
(5) Projects Leader name, 

(6) Projects Leader email address,
(7) Projects Leader wiki account - the username (you'll need this to edit
the wiki),

(8) Project Contributor(s) (if any) - name email and wiki account (if any),

As your projects reach a point that you'd like OWASP to assist in its
promotion, the GPC will need the following to help spread the word about
your projects:

 * Conference style presentation describing the projects in at least 3
slides -

 * Project Flyer/Pamphlet (PDF file) -

As work on your projects progresses and you are ready to create a release,
please let the GPC know of the change in status.  The GPC can work with you
to get your projects assessed and moved up the OWASP quality ladder from
Alpha to Beta to Stable.  Every release does not require an assessment -
feel free to email the GPC if you are unsure about your projects'
requirements.  For examples of projects at various quality levels, please
see the OWASP Project page -

That is all for now - I wish you and your projects great success.  Thank you
for supporting OWASP's mission.

Should you have any questions or require any further information, please do
not hesitate to contact me. 

Many thanks, best regards,


Paulo Coimbra,

OWASP Project Manager <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page> 



From: Dave Wichers [mailto:dave.wichers at aspectsecurity.com] 
Sent: segunda-feira, 21 de Junho de 2010 22:19
To: Kate Hartmann; Paulo Coimbra
Subject: FW: **VL-JUNK** RE: Watcher idea


Can the two of you facility the transition of these projects to OWASP?
Watcher is a cool tool. I'm not familiar with x5s, but the more OWASP tools
the merrier in my opinion.




-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Weber [mailto:chris at casabasecurity.com] 

Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:16 PM

To: Dave Wichers

Subject: RE: **VL-JUNK** RE: Watcher idea


Hey Dave, how's this for a late follow up?  ;)  What will it take to get
Watcher and x5s moved to an OWASP project?  We're getting a lot of good
response from then, and could probably benefit from the added community.


-----Original Message-----

From: Dave Wichers [mailto:dave.wichers at aspectsecurity.com] 

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:53 PM

To: Chris Weber; 'Dave Wichers'

Cc: 'Samuel Bucholtz'

Subject: **VL-JUNK** RE: Watcher idea


Bummer that we missed each other!! 


Reagarding w3af, I have not used it, so I am not favoring one over the
other. I just wanted to let you know about the availability of these two
rulesets that you might be able to incorporate.


On another note, what would you think about bringing Watcher to OWASP?




-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Weber <chris at casabasecurity.com>

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 6:17 PM

To: 'Dave Wichers' <dave.wichers at aspectsecurity.com>

Cc: 'Samuel Bucholtz' <samuel at casabasec.com>

Subject: RE: Watcher idea


Dave thanks for bringing this up.  I didn't realize until late in the week
that we were both at the OWASP DC conference last week, otherwise we
could've met!  It looks like w3af is including passive vulnerability
assessment like Watcher does, I haven't used this before have you?  It looks




I assume we could do this as part of Watcher, maybe even as a separate check
library.  In some cases we do some of these already.  FYI we're looking into
adding an active testing component to Watcher, which would automate sending
inputs for XSS and some of these things.  




We'll need to go through the w3af documentation and code to figure out what
it's doing that we could include in Watcher.  Are you suggesting this
because you personally prefer to use something like Watcher over w3af?
After glancing over the docs, usability does look much more involved than




Thanks for the message!












From: Dave Wichers [mailto:dave.wichers at aspectsecurity.com] 

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:55 PM

To: Chris Weber

Subject: Watcher idea








I had an idea with regard to Watcher based on the following thread on the
OWASP leaders list. If ModSecurity and W3AF have a set of Regexs to help
detect successful attacks, couldn't Watcher 'watch' for this same set of
outputs? And then warn the analyst if it sees any of these? Maybe a separate
doc could even suggest to the tester the kinds of input/tests they could
perform that might help trigger the types of responses that these rules can








On Friday 20 November 2009 11:15:09 am Andrew Petukhov wrote:


> Leaders,


> does any one know, if there is a database of regular expression for 


> testing HTTP responses while doing a pentest?




> Let me outline the problem (in a simplistic way):


> - a black-box scanner can detect successful XSS by noticing the code 


> it had injected in subsequent pages;


> - a black-box scanner can detect SQLI blindly;


> - other possible manifestations of an exploited vulnerability are 5xx 


> codes and error mesages.




> I know only about ModSecurity Core Rule Set. It can be used to detect 


> error messages.




> Does anyone know other sources?




> Thanks in advance!




> Andrew Petukhov,


> Moscow State University




Check out the GREP section of W3AF - http://w3af.sourceforge.net/plugin-






You can use these same regexs to check the http response for apps you are






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Rule Set Project Leader Tactical Web Application Security




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