[Owasp-board] Mail routing for lists.owasp.org

Matt Tesauro matt.tesauro at owasp.org
Thu Dec 9 17:13:40 UTC 2010


I think I asked my question wrong.

I'm not talking about turning off Mailman during the transition.
Instead, I'm talking about having Mailman's upstream SMTP server
changing from ml1.lcasey.com to smtp.google.com (or whatever the right
host is for Google).  I am well aware of the work you did trying to
migrate to Google Groups.

This is strictly a logistical question from the various hosting
companies I've talked to since we have a lot of email traffic to/from
lists.owasp.org.  I was hoping we could shift the email delivery burden
to Google if possible.

Do you know if Google Apps allows OWASP use their SMTP servers as an
upstream SMTP relay for lists.owasp.org?

I don't mind asking Google if its unknown currently.

Thanks for the fast response.

-- Matt Tesauro
OWASP Board Member
OWASP WTE Project Lead
http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site

On 12/09/2010 11:05 AM, Laurence Casey wrote:
> Matt,
> I had done a ton of work to move the current mailing lists to the Google
> service a while back. I was ready to make the switch, but found little
> motivation from the community to actually flip the switch. Everything is
> already in place on our Google Apps account. We would just need to
> either have people re-subscribe or we could import them. The problem
> with moving to Google is that people need to have a Google account to
> post. Not sure if that has changed. 
> You can see all the groups in the admin interface that have been created
> already here: https://www.google.com/a/cpanel/owasp.org/GroupList
> You can see all the groups that the public can see here:
> https://groups.google.com/a/owasp.org/groups/dir?pli=1
> Rugged Software has been using this from day one.
> The reason the lists point to ml1.lcasey.com is because I donated my
> machine for use from OWASP for mailing list purposes. It has been this
> way for 4+ years. ml1.lcasey.com actually hits an IronPort Mail Gateway
> before going to the list server. 
> --Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Tesauro [mailto:matt.tesauro at owasp.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:44 AM
> To: 'Laurence Casey'; Laurence Casey
> Cc: OWASP Foundation Board List
> Subject: Mail routing for lists.owasp.org
> Larry,
> In preparation to moving the OWASP infrastructure to an external hosting
> company, I've had a couple of the potential hosts as about mail routing.
> I know OWASP uses Google Apps for @owasp.org addresses but mail routing
> for the mail lists doesn't appear to go through the Google SMTP servers.
> I looked at the SMTP headers for an OWASP Leaders email I received this
> AM and noticed that mail from the lists is routed through ml1.lcasey.com
> (  I've posted the example headers to a Google doc here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1MjYgYfrg6uIrtQ1TQVA2uEbkVj_8B9X
> FQcCoZLdbvQA
> Resolving lcasey.com and ml1.lcasey.com:
> $ host lcasey.com
> lcasey.com has address
> lcasey.com mail is handled by 10 ml1.lcasey.com.
> $ host ml1.lcasey.com
> ml1.lcasey.com has address
> The IP addresses are within the range owned by Aspect Security:
> http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-66-255-82-0-1
> So I'm wondering if this mail route was chosen because it was the
> existing route for Aspect Security or for some other reason.
> Also, do you know if Google Apps includes the ability to relay OWASP's
> list mail through their servers?  That would be the preferred routing
> once we move to the hosted solution.
> If you don't know if Google Apps will do that, I will be happy to
> contact Google Apps support to determine if that is an option going
> forward.
> Thanks.
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP Board Member
> OWASP WTE Project Lead
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
> http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site

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