[Owasp-board] Fwd: GPC Membership

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Wed Dec 8 22:24:26 UTC 2010

Not wanting to pick on the guys that are complaining BUT,

Yiannis is another case of an OWASP whose comments need to be read with a
pinch of salt. I've worked with him before and he is also a complex
character that sometimes goes off is massive tangets (he is also known for
making a good point in a completely weird and off-putting matter)

My point here is that there are a number of OWASP leaders that, if they
raised their voices and complained heavily about a certain part of OWASP,  I
would really pay attention and really focus my energy in addressing it
(these guys are not in that group)

Dinis Cruz

On 8 December 2010 20:58, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:

> Below is heartbeat from formerly active GPC member - please read twice.
> Jason might be best here if you directly communicate with Leo (l
> eo.cavallari at owasp.org) and put new batteries in place to recapture
> volunteer energy.  I always say cheaper and faster to help a existing
> customer then to find a new one...
> Begin forwarded message:
> *From: *LeoCavallari <leo.cavallari at owasp.org>
> *Date: *December 8, 2010 3:36:01 PM EST
> *To: *Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>
> *Subject: **Re: GPC Membership*
> Hi Tom,
> Hope you're doing good.
> Yes, I agree with Jason statement, but cannot agree unjoining GPC without
> share my point of view.
> Besides all my collaboration within OWASP along the years, I got really
> frustrated in two moments and from that time my contributions slowed down to
> zero.
> First moment was when Yannis raised a situation about OWASP more than a
> year ago, I took that chance and shared my opinion on what seemed wrong to
> me within OWASP and GP's. My arguments were mainly that I believe that GPC
> was not build to "push buttons" but to make OWASP volunteers to "push the
> right buttons" and also that confcalls were unproductive, since we have 5
> mastermind into a weekly conf to discuss the color and design of project
> status button (believe, it happened...).
> It would be okay if we were seat at a table, drinking beer and
> brainstorming this subject, but at a conf call, with Dinis speaking faster
> than he can, it's not.
> When I put this out to restrict persons and GPC, some OWASP members wrote
> me privately supporting my atitude, but others got angry since they thought
> I had expose OWASP and GPC publicily, what was not true.
> OK. GPC, leaded by Dinis, and me had a good conversation, I show my
> position and we tried to rearrange.
> The second moment happened during OWASP AppSec Brasil 2009 organization.
> The organization team were made by 4 guys, 3 of them worked for same
> company, which is competitor of mine. Surprisingly, they were the "last
> minute" sponsors.
> Just recall the first investigative case inside OWASP:
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Investigation_-_AppSec_Brazil_2009
> I knew that this investigation won't have guilties and innocents, but at
> least lessons learned. What hurts is to see the same problems I had pointed
> out in the past, happening again this year with the same organization team.
> And then, OWASP needs to pay their bills...
> To say, GPC is overcharged and it needs not only new blood but remodel a
> tangible roadmap, mission and activities.
> OWASP as a whole needs to set procedures to review and expurgate
> leaders/GC's members that do nothing for community, but only vampire
> benefits with giving anything back.
> The next Summit will be a new gold opportunity to make things happen, that
> will be the place to GP's and leaders share their experience and identify DO
> and DON'TS, especifically to GPC it will be a great opportunity to revamp
> its values.
> I'll make my efforts to be at the Summit and contribute to make these
> changes happen. If I can't and no significant changes are proposed there,
> I'll be pleasant to quit from GPC and OWASP.
> Let me know if it sounds ok for you, Board an GPC.
> Fell free to forward this message.
> Best regards,
> Leo Cavallari
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Leo,
>> Are you in agreement to step down from the GPC making room for new blood -
>> please advise by Friday.
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> *From: *Jason Li <jason.li at owasp.org>
>> *Date: *December 7, 2010 2:30:02 PM EST
>> *To: *Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>
>> *Cc: *Brad Causey <bradcausey at owasp.org>
>> *Subject: **GPC Membership*
>> Tom,
>> As the Board representative to the GPC, I am providing you this email
>> pursuant to the Board's initiative for Committee chairs to identify inactive
>> committee members before the end of the week.
>> Brad is the co-chair of the GPC, and I don't want to speak for him, but I
>> believe he will agree that he and I have been the only active committee
>> members in the last 6 months.
>> Pravir and Leonardo have not been responsive for some time.
>> -Jason
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