[Owasp-board] Fwd: free passes for training at conferences and 2010 summit

Seba seba at owasp.org
Tue Aug 31 07:21:39 UTC 2010


no need to do the long way home: I can do the Germany OWASP talk
--Seba

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
> Come on Dinis - jump on  a plane for the OWASP USA Conference!
>
> BTW who is covering keynote kick off of OWASP Germany?
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference
>
> I could do a 24hr lay over on the way to China if needed - let me know.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Kate Hartmann <kate.hartmann at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Dinis won't be in CA, so you can leave the duct tape at home and use the
>> room in your luggage for clean socks or something.  :)
>>
>> We need to try and meet earlier in CA as there is the "pre event" VIP
>> dinner.  I'm nailing down times during today's conf call with the CA guys.
>> If we don't wrap up before 9pm, we might not have the bar anymore.  We have
>> some upgrades in our hotel contract to suites, so I'm planning on just
>> having a closed room meeting at the hotel.  Should then be able to walk down
>> the street to the dinner.
>>
>> Kate Hartmann
>> Operations Director
>> 301-275-9403
>> www.owasp.org
>> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan -
>> OWASP
>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: Eoin
>> Cc: OWASP Foundation Board List
>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Fwd: free passes for training at conferences and
>> 2010 summit
>>
>> I agree with Kate 100% on this one - lets take a step back and run OWASP
>> Foundation Inc., a 501(3)c as the business it really is to drive the mission
>> and reach the plan after the 2009 annual report  (ok so maybe having a plan
>> was a stretch.. but you can now see the elephant in the room)
>>
>> Looking forward to phone/skype calls BEFORE the OWASP CA and a 6-9 pm
>> meeting to help set this direction.. I will bring duck tape to tape Dinis
>> down
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Hey
>>> One more point (if I may)
>>>
>>> We lost our shirt $$$$ in Portugal so we are going to fund it $100K
>>> from sponsors and $50K from OWASP, sounds good.
>>>
>>> What organisation wants to sponsor an internal organisational
>>> meeting?? What marketing benefit can we sell to them?
>>>
>>> I thins we need to get the sponsorship first and then look at the size
>>> of the summit??
>>>
>>> On 20 August 2010 13:15, dinis cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good points from Kate
>>>> I will talk to her today or Monday to clarify/answer some of the
>>>> ideas/questions
>>>>
>>>> Dinis Cruz
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: "Kate Hartmann" <kate.hartmann at owasp.org>
>>>> Date: 19 August 2010 21:23:17 GMT+01:00
>>>> To: <dinis.cruz at owasp.org>
>>>> Cc: <alison.shrader at owasp.org>
>>>> Subject: free passes for training at conferences and 2010 summit
>>>>
>>>> Alison, can you please forward Dinis the most recent budget projections?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dinis, Tony UV Skyped me today asking to register for free for the
>>>> training for the conferences.  I had to put him off for a day or so
>>>> until I can figure out how to do this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to ask that you check about the possibility of these
>>>> things before you offer them to folks.  I agree that we need to take
>>>> care of our leaders – that’s not my concern – my concern is that we
>>>> are making more and more tangibles free yet we want to continue
>>>> spending as if we had unlimited resources.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From a conferences perspective, the training is the second most
>>>> important source of revenue (next to sponsorship $$$).  The cost of
>>>> admission to the conference is fairly easy to comp since our cost is
>>>> the equivalent of venue rental and lunch and we can probably make
>>>> that up easily.  The training that is associated with the conferences
>>>> is a bit different in that we have a financial obligation to pay the
>>>> trainer 40% of the fees based on student count.  So, for a two day
>>>> class associated with the conference, we charge $1350.  $540 of that
>>>> comes right off the top to pay the trainer.  Then, you can deduct costs
>> for venue and lunch and operations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, I realize that still leaves some money for OWASP, but if you
>>>> consider that the training is what usually ends up making a profit
>>>> for the conference and the conferences are one of our 2 main revenue
>>>> sources, if we cut that profit out and turn it into a $540 expense
>>>> for the conference (per chapter
>>>> leader) then we could realize some significant losses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another way to look at it might be to consider that the funds from
>>>> that chapter leader’s training will be used to pay a portion of that
>>>> chapter leader’s expenses to attend a global summit.  If we don’t get
>>>> it from training, then we need to get it from someplace else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sponsorships are better this year than last – although vendors are
>>>> going as cheaply as possible.  Memberships are on the increase from
>>>> last year – although the foundation does not really see much of that
>>>> revenue yet.  So, the conferences are working to help recover the deficit
>> from 2009.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would like to be involved in the planning of the 2010 summit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It had been originally planned to host a summit in DC very similar to
>>>> last year.  I understand, however, that Europe is where the next
>>>> summit needs to be held.  If OWASP is to grow, then we need to focus
>>>> on where the needs are.  The US market is dense while Europe seems to be
>> quickly catching up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had proposed a compromise based on immediate need for an energy
>>>> injection balanced with cost concerns.  Can we have a smaller,
>>>> committee chair only, summit in conjunction with the DC conference
>>>> and then prepare for a larger summit in Dublin with the EU conference?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wait…before you roll your eyes, listen to my questions and
>>>> statements…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.        Some guys cannot get time off from work (no vacation time)
>>>> or their company will not consider it work related unless it is in
>>>> connection with a conference.  Too much travel…too much time away
>>>> from family…I can’t do both…these are some of the comments I get
>>>>
>>>> 2.       I saw your budget proposal for $150K for a summit.  I
>>>> presume this is based on the numbers from Portugal.  I see you are
>>>> proposing $100K in sponsorships and $50K from OWASP.  I have checked
>>>> with Alison and while the $50K is tight, we could probably do that
>>>> for an annual summit.  What I did not understand was how we could
>>>> accept sponsorship $$$ for this?  Since this is the OWASP summit and
>>>> is intended to map the direction of the foundation, what is in it for
>>>> the vendors?  We cannot give the impression that they are mapping our
>>>> course, so we need to be cautious and very open about the return for
>>>> their investment.  Unlike conferences, we’re probably not giving them
>>>> a table or letting them sell their products at our working sessions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, so that’s two comments/questions…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hate to always whine about where the money will come from, but
>>>> that’s kind of part of my job.  I would love to be able to say “yes”
>>>> all the time, but considering we have come out of a bad year (2009)
>>>> and we are just now getting our bearings back, it seems to make sense
>>>> to be a bit cautious with expenses (that drives creativity).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kate Hartmann
>>>>
>>>> Operations Director
>>>>
>>>> 301-275-9403
>>>>
>>>> www.owasp.org
>>>>
>>>> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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