[Owasp-board] (Proposal #2) 2 free passes for each training class at conferences + ASK to use empty slots

Dave Wichers dave.wichers at owasp.org
Thu Aug 26 22:49:36 UTC 2010


OK. We have quorum. Jeff, Matt, Me, Tom, Dinis have said yes.

I'll contact the Global Conferences Committee to get their thoughts and we
can start rolling this out.

-Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
[mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Matt Tesauro
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:50 PM
To: owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] (Proposal #2) 2 free passes for each training
class at conferences + ASK to use empty slots

I vote yes to the proposal #2.

I also think Tom's note is definitely worth consideration.  I'd say make 
it the call of the trainer but not a requirement.

--
-- Matt Tesauro
OWASP Board Member
OWASP Live CD Project Lead
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site

On 8/26/10 4:00 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> sounds good lets give it a shot.  course material of course will not be
> given away...
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org
> <mailto:dave.wichers at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     I talked to Jeff and this is what we came up with to extend this idea.
>
>     #1 - We will require that each training provider give OWASP 2 free
>     slots per
>     class.
>     #2 - We will 'ask' each training provider that OWASP be allowed to
>     fill any
>     seats that are empty 14 days prior to the event with OWASP Leaders at
no
>     cost to OWASP. Empty seats would be defined as any slots less than 20
>     (including our 2 'free' slots from #1).
>
>     We suspect that most vendors will agree to our request, and if
>     enough do, we
>     might simply require it later for simplicity. I think we should try
>     this for
>     6 months or a year and see how it goes.
>
>     All of this would of course depend on having a minimum # of paid
>     students to
>     make offering the class worthwhile. I think whatever threshold date
>     we set
>     to ask the vendor, "Hey you only have X students right now, do you
>     want to
>     commit or withdraw the class?" Once that is done, that should be the
>     date
>     (or soon after) that we start to allow OWASP leaders to fill empty
>     seats.
>
>     I vote YES to this proposed modification.
>
>     -Dave
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>] On Behalf Of Jeff
Williams
>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:35 AM
>     To: 'Matt Tesauro'; owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] (Proposal) 2 free passes for each
>     training class
>     at conferences
>
>     I support this proposal, but would like to extend this to allow any
>     unused
>     seats in classes to be filled by OWASP leaders. Getting OWASP leaders
to
>     conferences is critical.
>
>     I would further like to add Matt's idea to every conference.  Have
>     an "OWASP
>     Leader Working Session" at every conference during the training days
>     where
>     leaders can come for free to live and breathe appsec, share ideas,
make
>     friends, etc...
>
>     --Jeff
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>] On Behalf Of Matt
Tesauro
>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:23 AM
>     To: owasp-board at lists.owasp.org <mailto:owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] (Proposal) 2 free passes for each
>     training class
>     at conferences
>
>     This proposal seems like a fine solution offering a good balance of
the
>     competing issues.
>
>     I vote yes.
>
>     --
>     -- Matt Tesauro
>     OWASP Board Member
>     OWASP Live CD Project Lead
>     http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
>     http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
>
>     On 8/26/10 10:19 AM, Dave Wichers wrote:
>      > I can't find the note that proposed this, but I think it's a good
>     idea
>      > (if it was your idea, please shout out J).
>      >
>      > Someone proposed that we include in the training contract with
OWASP
>      > conference training providers that OWASP can reserve 2 free slots
per
>      > class to assign to OWASP leaders. I think that is a good idea, and
a
>      > good compromise between giving things away for free, and losing
>     funding
>      > for OWASP.
>      >
>      > We won't be giving away a flood of free classes, but those we do
give
>      > away aren't likely to cost OWASP much if any money. There may be
>     times
>      > where some leader might have paid to attend anyway, but overall I
>     think
>      > this is a good balance.
>      >
>      > I'd like your vote on this compromise, and I, of course vote Yes.
>      >
>      > If we agree, we should propose it to the conferences committee to
get
>      > their buy in.
>      >
>      > -Dave
>      >
>      > p.s. if we agree to do this, I think we should 'ask' all training
>      > providers for the OWASP Irvine, Ireland, and DC events if they will
>      > agree to this modification. They don't have to, but we will also
>      > indicate that this will be 'required' for future events. And for
>     those
>      > that agree, we should figure out a system for offering these free
>     slots
>      > to OWASP leaders (however we define those J ).
>      >
>      >
>      >
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