[Owasp-board] (Proposal #2) 2 free passes for each training class at conferences + ASK to use empty slots

Matt Tesauro matt.tesauro at owasp.org
Thu Aug 26 20:49:32 UTC 2010


I vote yes to the proposal #2.

I also think Tom's note is definitely worth consideration.  I'd say make 
it the call of the trainer but not a requirement.

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-- Matt Tesauro
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On 8/26/10 4:00 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> sounds good lets give it a shot.  course material of course will not be
> given away...
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org
> <mailto:dave.wichers at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     I talked to Jeff and this is what we came up with to extend this idea.
>
>     #1 - We will require that each training provider give OWASP 2 free
>     slots per
>     class.
>     #2 - We will 'ask' each training provider that OWASP be allowed to
>     fill any
>     seats that are empty 14 days prior to the event with OWASP Leaders at no
>     cost to OWASP. Empty seats would be defined as any slots less than 20
>     (including our 2 'free' slots from #1).
>
>     We suspect that most vendors will agree to our request, and if
>     enough do, we
>     might simply require it later for simplicity. I think we should try
>     this for
>     6 months or a year and see how it goes.
>
>     All of this would of course depend on having a minimum # of paid
>     students to
>     make offering the class worthwhile. I think whatever threshold date
>     we set
>     to ask the vendor, "Hey you only have X students right now, do you
>     want to
>     commit or withdraw the class?" Once that is done, that should be the
>     date
>     (or soon after) that we start to allow OWASP leaders to fill empty
>     seats.
>
>     I vote YES to this proposed modification.
>
>     -Dave
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:35 AM
>     To: 'Matt Tesauro'; owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] (Proposal) 2 free passes for each
>     training class
>     at conferences
>
>     I support this proposal, but would like to extend this to allow any
>     unused
>     seats in classes to be filled by OWASP leaders. Getting OWASP leaders to
>     conferences is critical.
>
>     I would further like to add Matt's idea to every conference.  Have
>     an "OWASP
>     Leader Working Session" at every conference during the training days
>     where
>     leaders can come for free to live and breathe appsec, share ideas, make
>     friends, etc...
>
>     --Jeff
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>     <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>] On Behalf Of Matt Tesauro
>     Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:23 AM
>     To: owasp-board at lists.owasp.org <mailto:owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] (Proposal) 2 free passes for each
>     training class
>     at conferences
>
>     This proposal seems like a fine solution offering a good balance of the
>     competing issues.
>
>     I vote yes.
>
>     --
>     -- Matt Tesauro
>     OWASP Board Member
>     OWASP Live CD Project Lead
>     http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
>     http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
>
>     On 8/26/10 10:19 AM, Dave Wichers wrote:
>      > I can't find the note that proposed this, but I think it's a good
>     idea
>      > (if it was your idea, please shout out J).
>      >
>      > Someone proposed that we include in the training contract with OWASP
>      > conference training providers that OWASP can reserve 2 free slots per
>      > class to assign to OWASP leaders. I think that is a good idea, and a
>      > good compromise between giving things away for free, and losing
>     funding
>      > for OWASP.
>      >
>      > We won't be giving away a flood of free classes, but those we do give
>      > away aren't likely to cost OWASP much if any money. There may be
>     times
>      > where some leader might have paid to attend anyway, but overall I
>     think
>      > this is a good balance.
>      >
>      > I'd like your vote on this compromise, and I, of course vote Yes.
>      >
>      > If we agree, we should propose it to the conferences committee to get
>      > their buy in.
>      >
>      > -Dave
>      >
>      > p.s. if we agree to do this, I think we should 'ask' all training
>      > providers for the OWASP Irvine, Ireland, and DC events if they will
>      > agree to this modification. They don't have to, but we will also
>      > indicate that this will be 'required' for future events. And for
>     those
>      > that agree, we should figure out a system for offering these free
>     slots
>      > to OWASP leaders (however we define those J ).
>      >
>      >
>      >
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