[Owasp-board] Which OWASP leaders would you charge 500USD (of the full price of training)

Eoin eoin.keary at owasp.org
Tue Aug 24 14:41:54 UTC 2010


yes please, sounds like a good idea.

On 24 August 2010 15:27, Jeff Williams <jeff.williams at owasp.org> wrote:

> +1
>
> This is actually much closer to what I was thinking than a real "OWASP
> Leader 101" class.  I was just thinking that if we have "leader sprints"
> during the training days that many leaders would come for the fun.  I'd
> probably rather do that instead of listening to presentations actually.
>
> --Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
>  [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Matt Tesauro
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:57 PM
> To: owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Which OWASP leaders would you charge 500USD (of
> the full price of training)
>
> I'd like to return to  my idea about Committee Sprints at conferences -
> maybe we just need to make them "Leader Sprints".
>
> Why not spend the money for some food and drinks plus a meeting space
> and get the leaders to the conference 1 day early?  Get a bunch of
> passionate OWASPers in a room and tons of good will happen.
>
> These are the ideas I'd like to see the board discuss and help establish
> as seed projects.
>
> Let the discussion continue...
>
> And put your favorite bits on the Agenda for App Sec US in CA!!!
>
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP Board Member
> OWASP Live CD Project Lead
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and Download
> site
>
> On 8/23/10 5:44 PM, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > A better idea would be to have an "OWASP Leader" class at EVERY
> conference
> > that is free for any OWASP Project or Chapter lead... maybe even people
> who
> > are interested.  I'm envisioning a lot of camaraderie and beer in this
> > class.
> >
> > --Jeff
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> > [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of dinis cruz
> > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 12:17 PM
> > To: OWASP Foundation Board List
> > Subject: [Owasp-board] Which OWASP leaders would you charge 500USD (of
> the
> > full price of training)
> >
> > Here is an interesting question, assuming that we would charge our
> > leaders for attending an OWASP Training session the 'OWASP true cost'
> > of 300USD/500 USD (since charging them full price would be even more
> > scandalous), can you honestly look in the eyes of an OWASP leader and
> > ask him for the money?
> >
> > To help you visualise this problem here are a couple examples: Matteo
> > (Testing Guide), Bruce M (WebGoat), Rogan (WebScarab), John W
> > (Stockholm), Andrew vd S (Developer Guide), Sebastien (France)
> >
> > ...would you???? what do you think they would say?
> >
> > Ok, maybe they are too 'historical' and have a big past at OWASP.
> >
> > What about our current committee members? (Jason, Brad, Colin, David
> > Campbell, Nishi, Martin, Justin, R'Snake, Cassio , etc...).
> >
> > ...really??? ... would you charge them 500USD for a ticket? Do you
> > want to take a bet on what would be their answer and how motivated
> > they would be to continue to work on OWASP??
> >
> > What about the guys to bust their guts in organising previous
> > successful OWASP conferences
> >
> > Are you going to say NO to a AppSec DC key organiser that wants to pop
> > in to Irvine?
> >
> > And the fact that we never promised them a ticket is NOT relevant.
> > What matters is the RESPECT we have for our leaders (which is why
> > there is a world of difference when the answer is ".. hey owasp
> > leader, thanks for your query ... I would love to do that, but our
> > budget of XXX USD for that type of support at that conference is
> > currently taken by the X leaders that have already registered ... can
> > you please give me a couple weeks to see how the conference numbers
> > are shaping up to see if I can squezze you in?...." (even if the
> > ultimate answer is NO, that is a much better way to handle the
> > foundation of our community)). Remember that the conference cost is
> > ONLY one of the costs the leader has to pay (there is also flight,
> > accommodation, local transport and (in the case of a lot of our
> > leaders) lost income/holiday days).
> >
> > What about the board members, do they also have to pay?
> >
> > Ok, so assuming that you would not have the guts to say to all (or
> > some) of the leaders I already mentioned that they would have to pay
> > (specially at a conference that will make a nice profit), then...
> >
> > ...where will you draw the line?
> >
> > who will you say NO to?
> >
> > ...to Tony???? Who is now super motivated in kick staring the 'Bring
> > an Developer to an OWASP conference...." idea, and will most likely be
> > the personal host of the developers we manage to at track to that
> > conference?
> >
> > That is really a great way to motivate him....
> >
> > And if your answer is "... well we really should have a better way to
> > rate our leaders and map the ones that are currently doing outstanding
> > work..."  then BINGO you just found the reason why having these
> > 'perks' are so important for OWASP. Amongst other things they will
> > force us to be much more diligent and focused on:
> >   -  WHO is an OWASP Leader
> >   -  HOW they get there, and
> >   - WHAT they have to do to stay there
> >
> > Dinis
> > _______________________________________________
> > Owasp-board mailing list
> > Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
> > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Owasp-board mailing list
> > Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
> > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
>
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP Board Member
> OWASP Live CD Project Lead
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and Download
> site
> _______________________________________________
> Owasp-board mailing list
> Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
>
> _______________________________________________
> Owasp-board mailing list
> Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
>



-- 
Eoin Keary
OWASP Global Board Member
OWASP Code Review Guide Lead Author

Sent from my i-Transmogrifier
http://asg.ie/
https://twitter.com/EoinKeary
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-board/attachments/20100824/4044cfb8/attachment-0002.html>


More information about the Owasp-board mailing list