[Owasp-board] Fwd: free passes for training at conferences and 2010 summit

Tom Brennan - OWASP tomb at owasp.org
Fri Aug 20 14:07:34 UTC 2010


Come on Dinis - jump on  a plane for the OWASP USA Conference!

BTW who is covering keynote kick off of OWASP Germany?
http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference

I could do a 24hr lay over on the way to China if needed - let me know.




On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Kate Hartmann <kate.hartmann at owasp.org> wrote:
> Dinis won't be in CA, so you can leave the duct tape at home and use the
> room in your luggage for clean socks or something.  :)
>
> We need to try and meet earlier in CA as there is the "pre event" VIP
> dinner.  I'm nailing down times during today's conf call with the CA guys.
> If we don't wrap up before 9pm, we might not have the bar anymore.  We have
> some upgrades in our hotel contract to suites, so I'm planning on just
> having a closed room meeting at the hotel.  Should then be able to walk down
> the street to the dinner.
>
> Kate Hartmann
> Operations Director
> 301-275-9403
> www.owasp.org
> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Tom Brennan -
> OWASP
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:20 AM
> To: Eoin
> Cc: OWASP Foundation Board List
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Fwd: free passes for training at conferences and
> 2010 summit
>
> I agree with Kate 100% on this one - lets take a step back and run OWASP
> Foundation Inc., a 501(3)c as the business it really is to drive the mission
> and reach the plan after the 2009 annual report  (ok so maybe having a plan
> was a stretch.. but you can now see the elephant in the room)
>
> Looking forward to phone/skype calls BEFORE the OWASP CA and a 6-9 pm
> meeting to help set this direction.. I will bring duck tape to tape Dinis
> down
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Hey
>> One more point (if I may)
>>
>> We lost our shirt $$$$ in Portugal so we are going to fund it $100K
>> from sponsors and $50K from OWASP, sounds good.
>>
>> What organisation wants to sponsor an internal organisational
>> meeting?? What marketing benefit can we sell to them?
>>
>> I thins we need to get the sponsorship first and then look at the size
>> of the summit??
>>
>> On 20 August 2010 13:15, dinis cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good points from Kate
>>> I will talk to her today or Monday to clarify/answer some of the
>>> ideas/questions
>>>
>>> Dinis Cruz
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: "Kate Hartmann" <kate.hartmann at owasp.org>
>>> Date: 19 August 2010 21:23:17 GMT+01:00
>>> To: <dinis.cruz at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: <alison.shrader at owasp.org>
>>> Subject: free passes for training at conferences and 2010 summit
>>>
>>> Alison, can you please forward Dinis the most recent budget projections?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dinis, Tony UV Skyped me today asking to register for free for the
>>> training for the conferences.  I had to put him off for a day or so
>>> until I can figure out how to do this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to ask that you check about the possibility of these
>>> things before you offer them to folks.  I agree that we need to take
>>> care of our leaders – that’s not my concern – my concern is that we
>>> are making more and more tangibles free yet we want to continue
>>> spending as if we had unlimited resources.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From a conferences perspective, the training is the second most
>>> important source of revenue (next to sponsorship $$$).  The cost of
>>> admission to the conference is fairly easy to comp since our cost is
>>> the equivalent of venue rental and lunch and we can probably make
>>> that up easily.  The training that is associated with the conferences
>>> is a bit different in that we have a financial obligation to pay the
>>> trainer 40% of the fees based on student count.  So, for a two day
>>> class associated with the conference, we charge $1350.  $540 of that
>>> comes right off the top to pay the trainer.  Then, you can deduct costs
> for venue and lunch and operations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, I realize that still leaves some money for OWASP, but if you
>>> consider that the training is what usually ends up making a profit
>>> for the conference and the conferences are one of our 2 main revenue
>>> sources, if we cut that profit out and turn it into a $540 expense
>>> for the conference (per chapter
>>> leader) then we could realize some significant losses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another way to look at it might be to consider that the funds from
>>> that chapter leader’s training will be used to pay a portion of that
>>> chapter leader’s expenses to attend a global summit.  If we don’t get
>>> it from training, then we need to get it from someplace else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sponsorships are better this year than last – although vendors are
>>> going as cheaply as possible.  Memberships are on the increase from
>>> last year – although the foundation does not really see much of that
>>> revenue yet.  So, the conferences are working to help recover the deficit
> from 2009.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to be involved in the planning of the 2010 summit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It had been originally planned to host a summit in DC very similar to
>>> last year.  I understand, however, that Europe is where the next
>>> summit needs to be held.  If OWASP is to grow, then we need to focus
>>> on where the needs are.  The US market is dense while Europe seems to be
> quickly catching up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had proposed a compromise based on immediate need for an energy
>>> injection balanced with cost concerns.  Can we have a smaller,
>>> committee chair only, summit in conjunction with the DC conference
>>> and then prepare for a larger summit in Dublin with the EU conference?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wait…before you roll your eyes, listen to my questions and
>>> statements…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.        Some guys cannot get time off from work (no vacation time)
>>> or their company will not consider it work related unless it is in
>>> connection with a conference.  Too much travel…too much time away
>>> from family…I can’t do both…these are some of the comments I get
>>>
>>> 2.       I saw your budget proposal for $150K for a summit.  I
>>> presume this is based on the numbers from Portugal.  I see you are
>>> proposing $100K in sponsorships and $50K from OWASP.  I have checked
>>> with Alison and while the $50K is tight, we could probably do that
>>> for an annual summit.  What I did not understand was how we could
>>> accept sponsorship $$$ for this?  Since this is the OWASP summit and
>>> is intended to map the direction of the foundation, what is in it for
>>> the vendors?  We cannot give the impression that they are mapping our
>>> course, so we need to be cautious and very open about the return for
>>> their investment.  Unlike conferences, we’re probably not giving them
>>> a table or letting them sell their products at our working sessions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, so that’s two comments/questions…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hate to always whine about where the money will come from, but
>>> that’s kind of part of my job.  I would love to be able to say “yes”
>>> all the time, but considering we have come out of a bad year (2009)
>>> and we are just now getting our bearings back, it seems to make sense
>>> to be a bit cautious with expenses (that drives creativity).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kate Hartmann
>>>
>>> Operations Director
>>>
>>> 301-275-9403
>>>
>>> www.owasp.org
>>>
>>> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Eoin Keary
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>>
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