[Owasp-board] Fwd: Australia mailing list and activity

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Sun Aug 15 14:21:49 UTC 2010

I told you guys that Christian creates a massive confusion on his
head, can't focus on the issues and complicates everything

Dinis Cruz

On 15 Aug 2010, at 14:03, Seba <seba at owasp.org> wrote:

> fyi - christian reacting/insulting on mail Andrew yesterday
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Christian Heinrich <christian.heinrich at owasp.org>
> Date: Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Australia mailing list and activity
> To: Andrew van der Stock <vanderaj at owasp.org>
> Cc: Seba <seba at owasp.org>, global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org,
> "anne.luk at gmail.com" <anne.luk at gmail.com>, "xntrik at gmail.com"
> <xntrik at gmail.com>, "joshua at qwek.com" <joshua at qwek.com>,
> "david.taylor at bankwest.com.au" <david.taylor at bankwest.com.au>,
> "jabighanem at deloitte.com.au" <jabighanem at deloitte.com.au>,
> "paul.theriault at stratsec.net" <paul.theriault at stratsec.net>,
> "Jp at haplessvictim.com" <Jp at haplessvictim.com>, "Chris at hacklabs.com"
> <Chris at hacklabs.com>, Kate Hartmann <kate.hartmann at owasp.org>, OWASP
> Foundation Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
> Andrew,
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Andrew van der Stock
> <vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I think we need to take this back to basics. Let's not introduce
>> personalities and conflict into an otherwise simple and common
>> sense > change.
> The GCC has been inactive for sometime and I am not expecting
> Sebastien to understand the politics of the Australian culture.
>> As far as I'm aware there are no special representatives of the GCC
>> appointed or active in Australia. Therefore, my request to Chris
>> to get other leaders in to OWASP Sydney was as a friend, and not as
>> a GCC representative or committee member.
> You have known about my activities regarding the Australia Chapter for
> sometime i.e. https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003308.html
>> As an individual member with some gravitas due to my long term
>> involvement with OWASP on certain key projects, I personally
>> encourage all our chapters to be active, and where I can help them
>> get speakers I do so, but this is not as a chapter leader nor as a
>> > GCC representative for clearly I am not one and I do not
>> represent myself as one.
> Your ran away from Australia and your involvement has delivered
> nothing and has simply allowed them to continue to abuse their
> chapters for their own ends i.e. has Jean-Marie actioned
> https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003331.html
> yet and lets not forget that Chris has been warned about this before
> https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-australia/2006-July/
> 000079.html
> - I have plenty more examples.
>> Chris is still a co-leader of OWASP Sydney as far as I'm aware -
>> I've not spoken to him in some time. It is right of the GCC and
>> should be standard procedure to ask the other Australian chapter
>> leaders for their opinions as it affects them, regardless of their
>> abilities, opinion of the requestor, or any other ephemeral issue,
>> as it's about OWASP and not any one of us.
> This is a lie - you spoke to him shortly after
> https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003308.html
> and previously when he complained about the OWASP Session at AusCERT
> and yet he refused to participate when asked - does Chris know that
> you regularly stab him in the back?
> It is not uncommon for you to switch hit and change allegiance  i.e.
> https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003309.html
> so you don't get the same reputation that drove you from Australia
>> Christian - no individual OWASP member should be in "control" of
>> any correspondence to anyone. That's for the GCC and the
>> Board to decide.
> I have offered to hold a conference call with the Board.
>> Yours was a simple common sense request that still makes sense and
>> should go ahead. It should still happen as it's obvious that if
>> any US chapter has the OWASP-USA mail list that doesn't make sense.
>> It has nothing to do with your "control" or otherwise of any
>> Australian OWASP chapter.
> The request was common sense back in May but it is no longer now as
> the circumstances have changed i.e. it will involve more effort if it
> is actioned now.
>> I am glad you're taking an interest and helping out our chapters,
>> but at the end of the day, it is up to the GCC to decide and act
>> upon > these things as they see fit. I'd recommend standing for a
>> position on the GCC or as a chapter leader in your capital city if
>> you feel
>> you want to have more of a say, but for now, let's get this simple
>> change done without more conflict.
> The reason that I am not a Chapter Leader or seeking to be a Chapter
> Leader is that it is a conflict of interest to the investigation.
> I have not desire to participate in the GCC as I don't seek
> recognition.
> My only desire is to remove the vendor and consultant marketing
> influence from the OWASP Australia Chapters and to have regular high
> quality meetings and to increase the membership by prompting OWASP to
> other associations.
> My advice to you would be not to participate any further in the
> discussion.
> --
> Regards,
> Christian Heinrich - http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh
> OWASP "Google Hacking" Project Lead - http://sn.im/
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