[Owasp-board] Fwd: Australia mailing list and activity

Seba seba at owasp.org
Sun Aug 15 13:03:52 UTC 2010

fyi - christian reacting/insulting on mail Andrew yesterday

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From: Christian Heinrich <christian.heinrich at owasp.org>
Date: Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: Australia mailing list and activity
To: Andrew van der Stock <vanderaj at owasp.org>
Cc: Seba <seba at owasp.org>, global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org,
"anne.luk at gmail.com" <anne.luk at gmail.com>, "xntrik at gmail.com"
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"Jp at haplessvictim.com" <Jp at haplessvictim.com>, "Chris at hacklabs.com"
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Andrew van der Stock
<vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
> I think we need to take this back to basics. Let's not introduce personalities and conflict into an otherwise simple and common sense > change.

The GCC has been inactive for sometime and I am not expecting
Sebastien to understand the politics of the Australian culture.

> As far as I'm aware there are no special representatives of the GCC appointed or active in Australia. Therefore, my request to Chris
> to get other leaders in to OWASP Sydney was as a friend, and not as a GCC representative or committee member.

You have known about my activities regarding the Australia Chapter for
sometime i.e. https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003308.html

> As an individual member with some gravitas due to my long term involvement with OWASP on certain key projects, I personally
> encourage all our chapters to be active, and where I can help them get speakers I do so, but this is not as a chapter leader nor as a > GCC representative for clearly I am not one and I do not represent myself as one.

Your ran away from Australia and your involvement has delivered
nothing and has simply allowed them to continue to abuse their
chapters for their own ends i.e. has Jean-Marie actioned
yet and lets not forget that Chris has been warned about this before
- I have plenty more examples.

> Chris is still a co-leader of OWASP Sydney as far as I'm aware - I've not spoken to him in some time. It is right of the GCC and
> should be standard procedure to ask the other Australian chapter leaders for their opinions as it affects them, regardless of their
> abilities, opinion of the requestor, or any other ephemeral issue, as it's about OWASP and not any one of us.

This is a lie - you spoke to him shortly after
and previously when he complained about the OWASP Session at AusCERT
and yet he refused to participate when asked - does Chris know that
you regularly stab him in the back?

It is not uncommon for you to switch hit and change allegiance  i.e.
so you don't get the same reputation that drove you from Australia

> Christian - no individual OWASP member should be in "control" of any correspondence to anyone. That's for the GCC and the
> Board to decide.

I have offered to hold a conference call with the Board.

> Yours was a simple common sense request that still makes sense and should go ahead. It should still happen as it's obvious that if
> any US chapter has the OWASP-USA mail list that doesn't make sense. It has nothing to do with your "control" or otherwise of any
> Australian OWASP chapter.

The request was common sense back in May but it is no longer now as
the circumstances have changed i.e. it will involve more effort if it
is actioned now.

> I am glad you're taking an interest and helping out our chapters, but at the end of the day, it is up to the GCC to decide and act upon > these things as they see fit. I'd recommend standing for a position on the GCC or as a chapter leader in your capital city if you feel
> you want to have more of a say, but for now, let's get this simple change done without more conflict.

The reason that I am not a Chapter Leader or seeking to be a Chapter
Leader is that it is a conflict of interest to the investigation.

I have not desire to participate in the GCC as I don't seek recognition.

My only desire is to remove the vendor and consultant marketing
influence from the OWASP Australia Chapters and to have regular high
quality meetings and to increase the membership by prompting OWASP to
other associations.

My advice to you would be not to participate any further in the discussion.

Christian Heinrich - http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh
OWASP "Google Hacking" Project Lead - http://sn.im/owasp_google_hacking

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