[Owasp-board] (board-only) re AppSec DC Fwd: [Owasp-leaders] Chapters Leaders, get into AppSecDC FOR FREE!!!

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Wed Sep 23 17:05:40 UTC 2009


Yap, for the chapters that have the budget, I would say YES.
In fact, I think there is a good case for that Chapter leader use some of
the available budget to cover his travel expenses (as long as he does a good
job in presenting back to the chapter what happened at the conference)

Dinis

2009/9/23 Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org>

>  Can’t the chapters pay for their chapter leaders to attend the conference
> out of their chapter funds? This would just be internal money transfer on
> the OWASP books, but wouldn’t take revenue from the conference.
>
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> Then all we’d have to worry about is any project leaders that we want to
> bring in for free, if we want to do that.
>
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>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
> owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *dinis cruz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:57 PM
> *To:* OWASP Foundation Board List
> *Subject:* [Owasp-board] (board-only) re AppSec DC Fwd: [Owasp-leaders]
> Chapters Leaders, get into AppSecDC FOR FREE!!!
>
>
>
> (Just board)
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>
> Hey Guys, it might be good if one of you reaches to Rex.
>
>
>
> I don't think that he liked at all my email to the list (which is fair
> enough), but I am worried that he didn't get the message (see email below to
> David Campbell).
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>
>
> I have tried to reached to Rex directly, but he is not replying to my
> emails, so one of you might be more lucky.
>
>
>
> He seems to be stressed out with the cost of having these extra OWASP
> leaders there, is that SUCH an extra cost? (after all we are only talking
> about waiving the entry fee, so in essence the real cost is just the
> catering and maybe a bit more for the venue, right?)
>
>
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> On the subject of budget, has Rex (and his team) been denied anything major
> (that he wanted to do) due to budget constraints?
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>
> Dinis
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *David Campbell* <dcampbell at owasp.org>
> Date: 2009/9/23
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-leaders] Chapters Leaders, get into AppSecDC FOR
> FREE!!!
> To: "Rex Booth, OWASP" <rex.booth at owasp.org>
> Cc: dinis cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org>
>
>
> No worries.  Like I said -- I only commented on this to Dinis privately
> and he asked me to post it to the list (personal favor for him).
>
> I'm sure you are *busy* as hell what with the new baby, your job, AND
> the conference too!
>
> My lips are sealed. Sorry to have stirred it up.
>
> DC
>
>
> Rex Booth, OWASP wrote:
> > Dude, you're killing me.  As a personal favor, please please PLEASE
> > don't help stir the shit on this.
> >
> > This is a conference along the lines of BlackHat - something OWASP
> > hasn't really done before in the US.  We're trying to take the
> > professionalism up a notch - and we need money to do it.  I'm happy to
> > discuss with you further in person if you like, but the last thing we,
> > your colleagues, need is more drama in the public forum.
> > Thanks,
> > Rex
>
> >
> >
> > David Campbell wrote:
> >> Wow.  I take my eye of this list for a week or so and it goes supernova.
> >>
> >> Per Dinis' request I'm making public some thoughts I shared privately
> >> with him last night on this topic.
> >>
> >> I can sympathize with both sides here.
> >>
> >> One one hand as a small business owner I pay rather dearly for the
> >> time and effort I put into OWASP as every hour that I'm working on
> >> OWASP is an hour I'm not chargable.  For small biz owners and
> >> independent contractors there is no such thing as holiday or vacation
> >> time and while travel expenses and conference fees are a tax
> >> deduction, they are still an entry in the 'wrong column' from a P&L
> >> point of view.
> >>
> >> On the other hand as a veteran OWASP event organizer I know what it
> >> feels like to be thousands of dollars in the red in the run-up to the
> >> event and also dealing with a million details to try to ensure the
> >> con goes smoothly.
> >>
> >> Is there a capacity issue at OWASP DC which makes it financially
> >> problematic to admit chapter leaders gratis?  Is there a
> >> food/catering issue in play also?  The reason I ask is that as a
> >> chapter leader I'm already going to be out of pocket for travel
> >> expenses, accomodation, and lost revenue attending the con.  Paying
> >> to get in may be a dealbreaker for chapter leaders who are overdrawn
> >> on the "emotional bank account" that is OWASP.
> >>
> >> This isn't my conference to run, but I think it would be in the best
> >> interest of the con, and OWASP as a whole, to admit chapter leaders
> >> gratis, *provided that event capacity and catering costs aren't
> >> issues*.  At security cons (Defcon perhaps notwithstanding), the more
> >> the merrier.  And there's nothing like an underattended con
> >> (EUsecwest london this year?) to dampen the mood for everyone.  That
> >> said, if nonpaying chapter leader attendees would be taking spots
> >> which would otherwise be filled by paying attendees, then the
> >> decision becomes purely financial.
> >>
> >>
> >> DC
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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