[Owasp-board] Fw: video distribution...

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Thu Oct 9 02:02:58 UTC 2008

I have to say that I don't see a major problem with that small add in
the beginning (the only little issue I have is with some of the text and its
design (but that can be easily changed). It is only a couple seconds, can be
easily skipped and it makes sense (this is how I think the typical user will
read this "hey these guys gave OWASP a better deal and now I get all this
content to see").
If we are able to burn all this into DVDs and give it to our members, I
think the add should stay. And 10k is not the best price in the world, but
assuming that everything was recorded ok (with good image and sound
quality), it is a good price for 2 days worth of content (remember what
happened with the stuff recorded in San Jose? Exactly! where is it? MIA as
far as I can tell).

I also think that these guys should be able to sell those DVDs for 9.99 USD
(as long as the content is still available online and we can distribute it
to our members (or put it on a lulu book together with the ppts and (when
available) conference papers)


2008/10/8 Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>

> Comments (see below) - we do NOT have a signed agreement with this vendor
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teddy Rain <tedddd at charter.net>
> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 9:32:15
> To: <tomb at owasp.org>
> Cc: <tedddd at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: video distribution...
> i asked blake to check the sound, he said they seem to work fine on his
> end, also, here, on both mac and pc, they 'all' play sound fine... can you
> name a couple of the titles that are giving you problems, and i'll look into
> it...
> --
> so, by removing the ad page, does that mean i don't get any credit at all
> for recording the event?  isn't there a way to modify that page to conform
> to your non-profit mission... keeping in mind the original agreement we came
> up with was that i would help you guys 'give it away' by posting and
> uploading to some of the most popular video sites, but i would 'also' be
> able to distribute, sell, market the material on my own, after the event,
> and in the future...
> i do understand that owasp would prefer that i not sell, or have 'anyone'
> otherwise profit from the content, and i thought we came to an understanding
> on this a couple months ago, the response i had, was that 'without' the
> profit motive (even at a reduced price, of let's say $9.95 a disk), in the
> long run, you would be 'severely' limiting the 'distribution and
> dissemination' of the material, ie: they won't show up on amazon, they won't
> be purchasable at your local barnes & noble, itunes won't carry them in
> their store; resellers, etailers, retailers, electronic distributors, media
> partners, advertisers, mobile carriers, video aggregators, none of them will
> touch it, without some kind of profit 'food chain'... the skies the limit in
> new media right now, there's more to life than google video...
> also keep in mind that the 'spirit of' the creative commons agreement we
> selected ( http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ ) absolutely
> allows 'anyone' to "alter, transform, or build upon the content," and to
> distribute it (even for a profit), as long as the license remains intact and
> 'attributed'... so, even under the cc/by/sa we used, i should be legit... i
> thought i made this perfectly clear, in both our discussions, and in the
> agreement we had (which i will resend shortly under a separate cover)...
> so, should i create two sets of masters? a 'santized' owasp version, and a
> media archives version? or can we modify that page?
> i'll stop the uploads, leave today, home in 3 days, and then they should
> start showing up again by next monday.. but i leave for a show on the 16th
> (thurs), back home the next monday, when i can continue the process... I
> would guess they'd be about 1/2 way posted by the 16th, complete by the
> 23th...
> if we did them without the titles, they could probably all be posted and
> re-tagged by the 16th...
> > As of now we have just the keynote on owasp.org that does not have the
> AD and daily emails asking for content from members, some of the others on
> the test media archives site do not have sound....
> >
> > What is the ETA on removing the commercial AD page and re-delivery of the
> final product on masters and google video?
> >
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