[Owasp-board] Google & OWASP Summer of Code 2008 - can we work together?

Dave Wichers dave.wichers at owasp.org
Thu Mar 13 15:08:22 UTC 2008

This is absurd. Alison looked and couldn't find any time limit on the
submission date, but even if there was one, this seems crazy.

What do we do now?


-----Original Message-----
From: lhawthorn at google.com [mailto:lhawthorn at google.com] On Behalf Of Leslie
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 9:36 PM
To: dinis cruz
Cc: cdibona at gmail.com; OWASP Board; Jeff Williams; Dave Wichers; Paulo
Subject: Re: Google & OWASP Summer of Code 2008 - can we work together?

HI Dinis,

We are indeed the right people.  Unfortunately, the application
deadline for Google Summer of Code was today at 19:00 UTC.  Afraid we
can't help you.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 6:14 PM, dinis cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>  Hello Chris and Leslie (got your details from
> http://groups.google.com/groups/profile).
> As 'Program Manager - Open Source' (Leslie Hawthorn) and  'Open Source
> Programs Manager' (Chris DiBona) I believe you are the persons we (OWASP)
> need to talk to at Google.
>  I'm Dinis Cruz and I am representing the OWASP (Open Web Application
> Security Project) who I hope you have come across before (I think me and
> Chris swapped same emails a couple years ago).
>  OWASP is focused on Web Application Security and you can see more details
> about us on our website http://www.owasp.org
> (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_OWASP). OWASP manages  numerous Open
> Source projects (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project)
> is represented through the world via our chapters
> (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Chapter) and regular
> conferences
> (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference). We also
> recently started publishing (as books) the best documents created by the
> OWASP documentation projects: http://stores.lulu.com/owasp
>  Although OWASP is a non-for-profit organization, we use the revenue
> generated by our conferences and our member's fees
> (http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Membership#Current_OWASP_Members) to
> Open Source and OWASP projects with a sponsorship similar to your Google
> Summer of Code.
>  In the last two years we have successfully managed two OWASP Seasons of
> Code:
> OWASP Spring of Code 2007 -
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007 (SpoC 07), in
> 21 projects were sponsored with a budget of US$117,500,
> see http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007_:_Selection
> a project list & 'sponsorship value'  and
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007_-_Projects for
> final deliverables
> OWASP Autumn of Code 2006 -
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006 (AoC 06), in
> 9 projects were sponsored with a budget of US$20,000.
> Earlier this month, we launched our 3rd sponsorship initiative called the
> OWASP Summer of Code 2008:
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008
> One note that I would like to make is the tremendous value-for-money that
> (at OWASP) have with our sponsorship model. Since all information is open
> (from proposal to deliverables) and exposed for peer review, we are able
> only 'pay for what is delivered' (this in practice means that 'below
> average' projects tend to be drooped by the sponsored candidates).
> A practice that worked very well, was to accept a higher number of
> proposals, since we found that:
> there is a natural 10% to 20% cancellation rate (author could not deliver
> the proposed project) , but
> some projects massively over-deliver. See for example the work done on the
> OWASP Testing Guide
> and the OWASP Top 10 for Ruby on Rails (see book
> http://www.lulu.com/content/1412042 and project page
> )
>  Final comment on this OWASP introduction. Using help obtained via Google
> employees we met at past OWASP conferences, we have started to move some
> OWASP's infrastructure to Google's web based services (owasp.org email for
> example is now hosted at mail.google.com/a/owasp.org and some OWASP's
> projects are now using Google Code). In fact, our last US conference was
> originally supposed to be hosted at Google's HQ, but it was logistically
> possible, so we ended up at Ebay's.
>  So, here are the questions that I would like to ask you:
> Given that OWASP already has a fully mature sponsorship program, would it
> possible to (for the most suitable proposals) to use a Google's Summer of
> Code sponsorship for the same project sponsored by the OWASP Summer of
> 2008? (we usually give sponsorships between $2,500 and $5,000).
> Although we put no limitations to the type of application that can be
> submitted, for the current initiative we are being more specific and are
> encouraging projects that fit areas we feel need to be addressed (see
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Request_for_Proposal_List for a list
> those projects/areas). Clearly some of these are major activities which
> require as much resources as possible working on them. Hence, it would be
> very beneficial if we could co-sponsor the successful applications.
> We try to be as transparent as possible with our selection criteria (see
> So as part of the applications' requirements we have mandated the public
> posting of all applications (see here for the first proposals for the
> current initiative
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008_Applications ,
> for the final list of the previous one
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007_Applications) .
> After selection (by the OWASP board), all selection data will be published
> here: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_0f_Code_2008_:_Selection
> so if we are to work together, do you want to also receive, rate and
> the projects to sponsor, or do you want to re-use the choices made by
> Can you advise us what is the best route forward?
> Should OWASP apply as an organization?
> (http://code.google.com/soc/2008/org_signup.html)
> Should OWASP help our applicants with a similar submission to the Google
> Summer of Code?
> Another interesting area in which we could work together would be the
> sponsorship of a couple projects  focused on the security of Google's
> of Code projects. Part of OWASP's efforts is to educate the developer
> community on secure coding best practices (see for example
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Top_Ten_Project and
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Testing_Project) and since
> participants of the Google Summer of Code are the next generation of
> developers, there are lots of  synergies that could be leveraged from
> OWASP/Google projects.
> Finally, due to OWASP's enormous growth over the last year, our current
> digital infrastructure needs to be reviewed, and given Google's move into
> providing such services (from web hosting, to email, to mailing lists, to
> document management, etc...) we would also like to talk to Google about
> type of commercial services that Google can provide to OWASP. Thanks for
> your time, and please don't hesitate to contact us if you need further
> details or clarifications.
>  Best regards
>  Dinis Cruz
>  Chief OWASP Evangelist

Leslie Hawthorn
Program Manager - Open Source
Google Inc.


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