[Owasp-board] (VOTE REQUEST) Re: Proposed OWASP Week Packs

alison mcnamee alison.mcnamee at owasp.org
Tue Mar 11 18:46:23 UTC 2008


Great.  I will order all of the books today, and have them shipped to me.
Dave and Jeff - we may need to find some storage space for OWASP =)

As soon as I get the books, I will put together the packs and ship them to
each chapter.

Alison

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Jeff Williams <jeff.williams at owasp.org>
wrote:

>  I agree.  This is a nice way to reward the most active chapters and get
> things moving.  We should also work on getting the inactive chapters moving.
>
>
>
> --Jeff
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> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
> owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave Wichers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:39 PM
> *To:* 'dinis cruz'; 'Sebastien Deleersnyder'
> *Cc:* 'OWASP Board'
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] (VOTE REQUEST) Re: Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
>
>
> For this particular thing, I think doing something is good, so lets go
> with Dinis' suggestion for now. In the future, I would prefer to allow the
> chapters to order what they want, and we get out of their hair, but that's a
> separate issue.
>
>
>
> So, for this, I vote YES too.
>
>
>
> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
> owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *dinis cruz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2008 1:10 PM
> *To:* Sebastien Deleersnyder
> *Cc:* OWASP Board
> *Subject:* [Owasp-board] (VOTE REQUEST) Re: Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
>
>
> What do you mean by ALL chapters?
>
> All that participate on the OWASP week? or all in OWASP?
>
> The 'OWASP pack' is one of the motivations that we have to get chapters to
> participate, and there is plenty of dead chapters.
>
> So here is my (slightly) revised proposal for approval:
>
> * "Send ALL chapter participanting on the OWASP week and the most active
> chapters (who can't participate (for example NYNJ, Israel, Belgium)) the 300
> to 450 USD pack (including  transport).
> OWASP central (i.e. Alison will order, assemble and distribute 15 packs"*
>
> So fellow OWASP board members, what is your vote?
>
> Mine is YES
>
> :)
>
> Dinis
>
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Sebastien Deleersnyder <
> Sebastien.Deleersnyder at telindus.be> wrote:
>
> Dinis,
>
>
>
> as always : you are right in pushing this :-)
>
> There is indeed a certain form of inertia that has to be broken to have
> more active chapters.
>
>
>
> What about this: Let's send (all?) the chapters a minimal package and
> provide the active chapters with certificates ?
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> Seba
>
>
>
> *From:* dinis cruz [mailto:dinis.cruz at owasp.org]
> *Sent:* 11 March 2008 11:26
>
>
> *To:* Sebastien Deleersnyder
> *Cc:* Alison McNamee; Tom Brennan; OWASP Board
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
>
>
> Sebastien, remember that 'having a choice on the books to order' is
> exactly the 'OWASP points model' so that is what they will have in the
> future (heck they could already have that TODAY, if they asked for it :)  )
>
> The problem here, is on the difference between 'something is possible'
> and  'something happens'
>
> What I found (by experience) is that our responsibility as OWASP central
> is to:
>
>   - show WHAT is possible  =  ('OWASP books exist')
>   - show HOW it can happen    = ('You can receive OWASP books and give it
> to your chapter meetings participants!')
>   - pro-actively execute it so that people believe in the first two items
> above (the WHAT and HOW)  =  ('Here is a pile of book, distribute it, and
> once your finished with it, let's talk about the next batch')
>
> Remember that 'ordering' (or receiving) this goodies pack is just one step
> (of many) that the local chapter's leader(s) need to solve (from storage, to
> transportation ,to fair distribution to meeting participants, to collection
> of next batch of orders, etc....)
>
> The bottom line is that what we (OWASP board) need to do, is to kick-start
> the process and get the momentum going.
>
> Because if we don't do that, nothing happens!!!
>
> We have countless cases of 'things' that COULD happen but never do without
> central intervention and push. For example: OWASP books distribution, OotM
> travels, Chapter's collaborating with each other, member packs, etc...
>
> Another important point is to clearly distinguish between mature
> 'activities' (like OWASP conferences) , semi mature activities (OWASP
> projects, Seasons of Code) and very immature activities (OotM, OWASP week,
> OWASP books, etc...)
>
> The rules and focus must be different depending on the maturity level. So
> for the 'immature' ones we should be focusing on what we need to do to
> kickstart it, and not the problems that might occur if somebody abused that
> 'immature' initiative (our track record shows that the level of abuse of
> OWASP immature initiatives is very low).
>
> Our (OWASP) problem today (in my point of view) is not abuse from our
> community, is LACK of participation from that community (which is why we are
> sitting on 200k USD in the bank)
>
> So back to the books and chapters, the bottom line is that IF we don't
> send these packs to the chapters that participate, NOTHING will happen for a
> while.
>
> And look at how disappointing the chapter uptake on the OWASP week is? We
> have 100+ chapters but we will lucky if 10 or 15 participate!
>
> Finally, part of my strategy of having the 'chapter goodies packs (with
> books & other bit)' is to show the chapters that IT is possible for OWASP
> central to send them these materials, and hopefully kickstart the discussion
> of local chapter 'OWASP points' and finances.
>
> So, I say, lets create these packs (hopefully still on time for the OWASP
> week) and try to get as many participating chapters as possible.
>
> Dinis
>
>
>  On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Sebastien Deleersnyder <
> Sebastien.Deleersnyder at telindus.be> wrote:
>
> As chapter leader, I prefer to have a certificate and select the books
> ourselves.
>
> I would do this based on a local poll. This also points people to the
> availability .
>
> time&logistics-wise I think giving the chapter leaders a choice will
> result in not being able to send the packs by start of April.
>
>
>
> regards
>
>
>
> Seba
>
>
>
> *From:* dinis cruz [mailto:dinis.cruz at owasp.org]
> *Sent:* 10 March 2008 15:51
> *To:* Sebastien Deleersnyder
> *Cc:* Alison McNamee; Tom Brennan; OWASP Board
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
>
>
> What about giving the chapter an option? Certificate or Packs?
>
> One thing to take into consideration is the timings of the print
> materials. The only way to get good prices in relatively quick timescales is
> to make big orders
>
> On Tom's points I agree with some and disagree with others (will send
> comments shortly)
>
> Dinis
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Sebastien Deleersnyder <
> Sebastien.Deleersnyder at telindus.be> wrote:
>
> certificate is easier on logistics and allows the chapter leader to
> select the books, based on the local requirements.
> ok for me
>
> Seba
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Alison McNamee
> Sent: 10 March 2008 15:28
> To: 'Tom Brennan'
> Cc: 'OWASP Board'
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
> What does everyone think about Tom's idea of giving each chapter a
> certificate to spend at lulu?  If everyone agrees on this, I will have
> to
> check with lulu to see how we could do this.  I would like to get
> everyone
> else's input as soon as possible, as we only have 3 weeks to go!
>
> Alison McNamee
> OWASP Operations Director
> 9175 Guilford Road
> Suite 300
> Columbia, MD 21046
> 301-575-0197 (phone)
> 301-604-8033 (fax)
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Brennan [mailto:tomb at owasp.org]
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 3:44 PM
> To: Alison McNamee
> Cc: OWASP Board
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Proposed OWASP Week Packs
>
> how about give each chapter a certificate for $xxxxx  and they can
> spend it via lulu.com on what ever book(s) they want to hand out  -
> they can order from lulu with a free book coupon or something...
>
> we can still send the other swag ~ shirts/hats/pens etc... as this is
> good for the mother ship to give to the local chapters for promo etc..
> doing it this way would allow us to better identify chapters, chapter
> leaders and it would save effort, time and provide a "gift" to the
> chapter leaders from the mother ship as step #1.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Alison McNamee
> <alison.mcnamee at owasp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > The following is the proposed items to send to each chapter
> participating
> in
> > OWASP Week:
> >
> >
> >
> > Books - 39 Total:
> >
> > 2 x Clasp     ($14.04)
> > 10 x Top10, Test, Legal   ($10.25),
> > 10 x OWASP Top 10 ($5.81 *price from website)
> > 2 x Webgoat/Webscarab   (5.67),
> > 5 x Code Review    (5.98),
> > 5 x Top 10 Ruby    (4.94),
> > 5 x OWASP Guide 05   (9.22)
> > 8 x T-Shirts
> > 15 x pens
> > 1 DVD
> > 1 Letter
> >
> > If everyone agrees on this, the total cost per pack would be $300.62.
> This
> > only includes the cost of the books.  We have enough leftover shirts
> and
> > pens from previous conferences that we can use, and the letter and DVD
> > should not cost anything (we have blank DVDs as well).  So the only
> > additional cost will be the shipping, which Dinis estimated at
> $150/pack.
> > This would make the total cost $450.62 per pack.  The only other cost
> I
> can
> > foresee is possibly the cost of boxes..as the standard FedEx boxes
> will
> not
> > be big enough for all of these books (I will probably have to buy a
> couple
> > of the largest boxes for each chapter).  We are estimating we will
> send
> > these to 15 chapters, making the total cost $6759.30.
> >
> > Please let me know if everyone is ok with this ASAP.  I will need to
> order
> > all of these books and have them shipped to me, then put together all
> of
> > these packets and have them shipped to each chapter in the next 4
> weeks..so
> > we need to get this process started very soon!
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alison McNamee
> >
> > OWASP Operations Director
> >
> > 9175 Guilford Road
> >
> > Suite 300
> >
> > Columbia, MD 21046
> >
> > 301-575-0197 (phone)
> >
> > 301-604-8033 (fax)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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