[Owasp-board] 1st OWASP hire - Admin Support?

Dinis Cruz dinis at ddplus.net
Thu Oct 18 02:00:47 UTC 2007

I'm ok with that too, and I'm pretty sure we already have the budget for
year 1.
So go for it.

Jeff can you post the job description on a WIKI page, GMail doesn't
understand the new .docx format :)

It does make sense to be at Aspect offices.

Ideally it would be somebody recommended by an OWASP contributor, and the
hire should be agreed by both owasp-board and owasp-leaders crowd (with a
majority vote (of the ones who vote :) ))


On 10/18/07, Jeff Williams <jeff.williams at owasp.org> wrote:
> I agree with all of this, and would like to move ahead on this.
> The responsibilities for the job are good.  I would add some more content
> creation responsibilities there, like the Monthly Newsletter, audio/video
> editing, and updating the front page.  I'd also like them to help with
> promotional activities, find contributors for projects, and create
> documentation for tools.
> It might also be useful to list some of the characteristics of the person
> who would be great at this job.  They have to be outgoing and personable -
> willing to talk with lots of people and get stuff organized. If they had
> experience running fundraising efforts, that would be a huge plus.
> --Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew van der Stock [mailto:vanderaj at greebo.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:55 PM
> To: Dave Wichers; Jeff Williams; Dinis Cruz
> Cc: OWASP Board
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] 1st OWASP hire - Admin Support?
> (sorry for the cross-posting - board e-mails do not work for me at
> the moment)
> When I was SAGE-AU President, one of the very first things we did as
> soon as I made el Presidente was to offload all the administrivia to
> an admin person. Before my presidency, We had a really nice lady 4
> hours a week, and only bumped her hours when the annual conference
> became a nightmare. That really wasn't enough and it was hampering
> growth. So we made her full time against the wishes of a large
> minority on the SAGE-AU executive committee, but it was the best
> thing SAGE AU ever did. Membership jumped from 650 to just under 1000
> in the next two years. It's amazing the difference when the executive
> board is free to do strategy and leave the execution to others.
> I think we need this. Once we have an admin person full time, we can
> really concentrate on getting more individual members, and getting
> those processed in a timely fashion. More on this point in another
> post. I firmly believe without a full time admin person, we cannot
> get the 1000 or so individual memberships we could get (an easy $100k
> per year). This position would be self funding if we managed
> somewhere in the range of 500-600 memberships. With 1000 renewals and
> sending out membership packs, and so on, would swamp our current
> resources, so we do need that person to grow to that point.
> (Aspect hat really, really off - OWASP hat firmly ensconced on my
> noggin) On the location for this resource, considering three of us
> are in the Aspect offices, I think that makes it the best location -
> we can pop our head around the corner and say "hi". This really
> helped with the interns. If cost is an issue, much of Europe is more
> expensive than the USA, and London even more so. Asia is nice and
> cheap, but we don't really have a lot of solid resources in that area
> yet. Australia is about the only place I'd support the person if it's
> not in the Aspect offices. Justin Derry's company, b-sec, has nice
> offices in Brisbane. We could ask them if they could host our admin
> person. However, honestly, it wouldn't be much cheaper than doing it
> in the USA (maybe $10-20k per year max) and we'd lose the synergy of
> being able to see the person regularly and making sure they're okay,
> have a safe working environment and have adequate resources to do
> their thing on OWASP's behalf. Plus, as OWASP is a not for profit, so
> paying someone and coping with their (foreign) taxes in another
> country might be a tad difficult without setting up another OWASP
> shell company in that country, and we may lose any benefit of our tax
> deductibility. I know Australian law is pretty down on charities with
> a single employee (it just doesn't happen).
> OWASP just needs this to go to the next level. I am surprised we've
> taken this long without having someone on the payroll already. I
> strongly urge this course of action, no matter where the person is
> located.
> thanks,
> Andrew
> On Oct 15, 2007, at 3:09 PM, Dave Wichers wrote:
> > I think it's well past time that OWASP hire a full time
> > administrator to do a lot of the stuff that Aspect employees are
> > now doing for OWASP.  Attached is a job description for this position.
> >
> >
> >
> > Given the interdependencies of all the various things that Aspect
> > currently does, and to smooth the transition, we'd recommend that
> > this person be hired and work out of Aspect's offices.
> >
> >
> >
> > We'll plan to set as much up as possible so this person does work
> > for OWASP, is paid by OWASP, has benefits provided by OWASP, and
> > only uses Aspect resources when absolutely necessary. For example,
> > Aspect can lease a tiny amount of office space to OWASP for this
> > person, can share our phone and networking infrastructure, but
> > practically everything else can be provided by OWASP itself. My
> > goal is to make this as completely independent as possible, which
> > would be much more so than the current arrangement where Aspect is
> > reimbursed for OWASP support provided by various Aspect admin
> > personnel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Aspect still plans to provide support to OWASP in the way we do now
> > (network admin support, overflow admin support, etc.), but the goal
> > would be for this new hire to take on as much of this work as
> > possible. I actually believe that this person will quickly get
> > overwhelmed and would still need help from Aspect, but when that
> > person got too busy, then we could hire another OWASP employee,
> > etc. This is a way of transitioning to full time OWASP support when
> > the quantity of basic support that Aspect has been providing
> > becomes too great.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm thinking a base salary in the $30K-$50K range for this
> > position, based on the experience of the person being hired. Plus a
> > set of benefits that we would have to define.
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you guys think about this idea?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <OWASP Administrator.docx>
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