[Owasp-austin] OT? web application frameworks

Guy Hoozdis guy.hoozdis at gmail.com
Wed Aug 12 12:33:14 EDT 2009

Sorry, E.  I replied to only you at first.

I'm a big fan of Django.  I recently reviewed Google App Engine as a
possible framework for a tool I was building.  The App Engine definitely
made things easy and has a lot in common with Django.  The catch is that you
must be comfortable with the access restrictions Google can provide for your
data.  If it's a come-one-come-all site you are building, the App
Enginecould save you a lot of time.

 - Scott

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Dan Pattyn <dan.pattyn at gmail.com> wrote:

> You may want to check out WEB2PY from DePaul University in Chicago.  It was
> developed to train incoming freshman to develop their first web app for a
> nonprofit after two weeks of classes on a Saturday afternoon (four hours).
>  Took the best of Zope and RoR and made an environment for mortals to
> program.  They were trying to push it into the enterprise space since it has
> an easy to use development environment for fairly sophisticated schemas.
> http://www.web2py.com/
> If your schema is moderately complex or will grow into a complex schema,
> you may want to consider WEB2PY.  RoR is going through a mid life crisis as
> they are trying to merge MERB and RoR and create a Plugin environment
> complicated by the fact that the Ruby community and the RoR community don't
> interact enough in my humble opinion.  If you know Python and you might
> deploy on Google, WEB2PY might be a worth a look.  Final comment on RoR.  It
> is ideally a RESTful CRUD framework for end users but it is still a
> programmer paradigm (command line instead of 100% browser like WEB2PY).
> Regards
> Dan Pattyn
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> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM, <travis+ml-owasp at subspacefield.org<travis%2Bml-owasp at subspacefield.org>
> > wrote:
>> So I'm starting up a personal project and I'm trying to decide from
>> among the gazillion web application frameworks, which I should
>> investigate.
>> The goal is to rapidly produce a web site, because my spare time
>> is rather limited.  So no C++ or java frameworks really fit my bill.
>> So far I've heard a lot about Ruby on Rails, obviously (who hasn't?).
>> Unfortunately I'm a novice at Ruby; I like it a lot, but I'm to the
>> point where I can write ruby programs, but not at an expert level.
>> I watched a screencast of someone developing a web site with RoR, and it's
>> apparent that a knowledge of normal Ruby is not enough; he dizzied me
>> with what he was doing, I couldn't keep up.  In fact, just reading
>> the Wikipedia article left me dizzy with the thousands of ways to
>> do things.
>> I also have a friend who has done some RoR work, and he actually
>> prefers Pylons.  This is good news for me, because I've developed
>> some non-trivial programs in python, and am quite familiar with it.
>> However, I want to make sure I'm not just choosing the easiest path,
>> but the right tool for the job, if it's significantly better.
>> What should I look for in such a web framework?  That is, how should
>> I decide between the large number of them out there?
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