[Governance] OWASP and Commercial

Jason Johnson jason.johnson at owasp.org
Fri Feb 7 22:39:14 UTC 2014


I love Jim s face off too. He is the spittin image of what Owasp stands
for. The energy is brilliant. He has to make a living. I still use the top
ten controls prezzie.

Jason Johnson
OWASP
Oklahoma City, OK
 On Feb 7, 2014 3:29 PM, "Jim Manico" <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> Apparently, Jerry can feel the love as well.
>
> ;)
>
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> Get a room you two! :)
>
> --
> Jerry Hoff
> jerry at owasp.com
> @jerryhoff
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:02 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> I feel the love, Tom.
>
> *hugs*
>
> PS: Thanks for breaking all attendance and financial records for your work
> at AppSec NYC. ;)
>
> - Jim
>
> On 2/7/14, 4:15 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP wrote:
>
> Ahh did not tie other lists to this post guess I need to change the folder
> and catch up on what's new in OWASP email land from Dennis G
>
>  Re training IMHO your passion is highly motivational  and supported by
> hundreds who voted you to proactively provide guidance on nimble org.
>  Paid, unpaid free cbt or other is all goodness.  Hell we even talked about
> you coming out to NYC to be one of the (5) trainers to give paid training
> at NYC OWASP 2014 the week of 2600/HOPE http://www.meetup.com/OWASP-NYC/and we just spend tons if cycles on the RSA circus activities..
>
>  Leading from the front will always draw it's critics and you do so with
> a passion and hawaiian style +1
>
>  Finally what you did here was awesome http://youtu.be/_ANdXIuhbzQ
>
>  Not sure I actually answered your question or what question you were
> initially posted, "proactively" and that was my simple point... *hug*
>
>  Enjoy the trip catch up with you on the 24th - I'm out.
>
>  --
> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   I'm being ethically proactive Tom. My commercial activities are getting
> more related to OWASP and  I am just requesting a health check.
>
>  I recently received a barrage of email from Dennis Groves about his
> disapproval on my stance on free training, and while they were disturbing,
> it did make me stop and think (and ask the gov list).  ;-)
>
>  Tom, you as well have called out my free training efforts and other
> OWASP efforts as self serving (including this email) and have called me on
> my ethics, so you're happy I'm asking the list about this topic in some way
> right? :)
>
>  Hello from rain-soaked Europe where I'm (REDACTED) and (REDACTED). Hope
> to see you at (REDACTED)!
>
>  Aloha,
>  --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
>  (808) 652-3805
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   Just asking for what is the problem you are seeking advice on the
> governance list of the association?
>
>  Has there been a complaint? Is there a issue that needs to be managed by
> a existing policy for such or is there a recommendation to create a more?
> Is it a question to a public archive to resolve done identified issue?
>
>  I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.. Just confused and hence
> the email asking for clarity.
>
>  Btw I'm jealous that Yiannis is enjoying Casa Manico while I dig out of
> 11inches of snow
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   Ad, Tom?
>
>  This is a small list of folks I mostly know well who are especially
> interested in these issues.
>
>  So your answer is that my question itself on-list is unethical?
>
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>   On the choochoo this morning to NYC to give some training myself..
> thought I would catch up on some emails @owasp bucket.
>
>  In response to yours, members of the board have jobs that pay bills that
> somehow are involved in software industry that would likely be true of
> everyone in the association membership.
>
>  Even a few of them have books, papers, projects, talks and involved in
> testimony to congress or pet alligators etc...  So what's your question?
>
>  As per the conflict of interest policy you agreed to and signed if your
> in conflict with it or can not meet the bylaw duties as written everyone is
> free to step down or step up to meet them or lobby to change them or
> abstain when needed.
>
>  Perhaps I am confused but your email to this governance list is asking
> for help on what exactly -- or simply raising visibility via your "ad" that
> your offering training and writing a book? What is the defined problem? Is
> there a complaint that requires "governance" as defined:
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance
>
>  Your loved man just not clear what your asking to provide suggestions...
> New business for the upcoming board meeting perhaps to clarify or discuss
> face to face on the 24th?
>
>  --
> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:06 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>  Folks,
>
> I work as a freelancer now and make a living delivering onsite
> security training. I'm also working on a book. These are both things
> that OWASP monetizes as well.
>
> I feel like my efforts at OWASP as a board member and volunteer are in
> conflict with my professional work. It's a pretty clear conflict of
> interest. Would you care to provide guidance or suggestions over this
> matter? I try to take the ethical path but I'd like to check in with
> governance.
>
> Thank you,
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
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