[Governance] OWASP and Commercial

Jerry Hoff jerry at owasp.org
Fri Feb 7 18:41:40 UTC 2014


Get a room you two! :)

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Jerry Hoff
jerry at owasp.com
@jerryhoff

On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:02 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> I feel the love, Tom.
> 
> *hugs*
> 
> PS: Thanks for breaking all attendance and financial records for your work at AppSec NYC. ;)
> 
> - Jim
> 
> On 2/7/14, 4:15 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP wrote:
>> Ahh did not tie other lists to this post guess I need to change the folder and catch up on what's new in OWASP email land from Dennis G
>> 
>> Re training IMHO your passion is highly motivational  and supported by hundreds who voted you to proactively provide guidance on nimble org.  Paid, unpaid free cbt or other is all goodness.  Hell we even talked about you coming out to NYC to be one of the (5) trainers to give paid training at NYC OWASP 2014 the week of 2600/HOPE http://www.meetup.com/OWASP-NYC/ and we just spend tons if cycles on the RSA circus activities.. 
>> 
>> Leading from the front will always draw it's critics and you do so with a passion and hawaiian style +1
>> 
>> Finally what you did here was awesome http://youtu.be/_ANdXIuhbzQ
>> 
>> Not sure I actually answered your question or what question you were initially posted, "proactively" and that was my simple point... *hug*
>> 
>> Enjoy the trip catch up with you on the 24th - I'm out.
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm being ethically proactive Tom. My commercial activities are getting more related to OWASP and  I am just requesting a health check.
>>> 
>>> I recently received a barrage of email from Dennis Groves about his disapproval on my stance on free training, and while they were disturbing, it did make me stop and think (and ask the gov list).  ;-)
>>> 
>>> Tom, you as well have called out my free training efforts and other OWASP efforts as self serving (including this email) and have called me on my ethics, so you're happy I'm asking the list about this topic in some way right? :)
>>> 
>>> Hello from rain-soaked Europe where I'm (REDACTED) and (REDACTED). Hope to see you at (REDACTED)!
>>> 
>>> Aloha,
>>> --
>>> Jim Manico
>>> @Manicode
>>> (808) 652-3805
>>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just asking for what is the problem you are seeking advice on the governance list of the association? 
>>>> 
>>>> Has there been a complaint? Is there a issue that needs to be managed by a existing policy for such or is there a recommendation to create a more? Is it a question to a public archive to resolve done identified issue?
>>>> 
>>>> I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.. Just confused and hence the email asking for clarity. 
>>>> 
>>>> Btw I'm jealous that Yiannis is enjoying Casa Manico while I dig out of 11inches of snow 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>                 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ad, Tom?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a small list of folks I mostly know well who are especially interested in these issues. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So your answer is that my question itself on-list is unethical?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On the choochoo this morning to NYC to give some training myself.. thought I would catch up on some emails @owasp bucket.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In response to yours, members of the board have jobs that pay bills that somehow are involved in software industry that would likely be true of everyone in the association membership.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Even a few of them have books, papers, projects, talks and involved in testimony to congress or pet alligators etc...  So what's your question? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As per the conflict of interest policy you agreed to and signed if your in conflict with it or can not meet the bylaw duties as written everyone is free to step down or step up to meet them or lobby to change them or abstain when needed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps I am confused but your email to this governance list is asking for help on what exactly -- or simply raising visibility via your "ad" that your offering training and writing a book? What is the defined problem? Is there a complaint that requires "governance" as defined: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Your loved man just not clear what your asking to provide suggestions... New business for the upcoming board meeting perhaps to clarify or discuss face to face on the 24th?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:06 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I work as a freelancer now and make a living delivering onsite
>>>>>>> security training. I'm also working on a book. These are both things
>>>>>>> that OWASP monetizes as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I feel like my efforts at OWASP as a board member and volunteer are in
>>>>>>> conflict with my professional work. It's a pretty clear conflict of
>>>>>>> interest. Would you care to provide guidance or suggestions over this
>>>>>>> matter? I try to take the ethical path but I'd like to check in with
>>>>>>> governance.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
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