[Governance] OWASP and Commercial

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Fri Feb 7 17:02:15 UTC 2014


I feel the love, Tom.

*hugs*

PS: Thanks for breaking all attendance and financial records for your 
work at AppSec NYC. ;)

- Jim

On 2/7/14, 4:15 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP wrote:
> Ahh did not tie other lists to this post guess I need to change the 
> folder and catch up on what's new in OWASP email land from Dennis G
>
> Re training IMHO your passion is highly motivational  and supported by 
> hundreds who voted you to proactively provide guidance on nimble org. 
>  Paid, unpaid free cbt or other is all goodness.  Hell we even talked 
> about you coming out to NYC to be one of the (5) trainers to give paid 
> training at NYC OWASP 2014 the week of 2600/HOPE 
> http://www.meetup.com/OWASP-NYC/ and we just spend tons if cycles on 
> the RSA circus activities..
>
> Leading from the front will always draw it's critics and you do so 
> with a passion and hawaiian style +1
>
> Finally what you did here was awesome http://youtu.be/_ANdXIuhbzQ
>
> Not sure I actually answered your question or what question you were 
> initially posted, "proactively" and that was my simple point... *hug*
>
> Enjoy the trip catch up with you on the 24th - I'm out.
>
> -- 
> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to discuss
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>> I'm being ethically proactive Tom. My commercial activities are 
>> getting more related to OWASP and  I am just requesting a health check.
>>
>> I recently received a barrage of email from Dennis Groves about his 
>> disapproval on my stance on free training, and while they were 
>> disturbing, it did make me stop and think (and ask the gov list).  ;-)
>>
>> Tom, you as well have called out my free training efforts and other 
>> OWASP efforts as self serving (including this email) and have called 
>> me on my ethics, so you're happy I'm asking the list about this topic 
>> in some way right? :)
>>
>> Hello from rain-soaked Europe where I'm (REDACTED) and (REDACTED). 
>> Hope to see you at (REDACTED)!
>>
>> Aloha,
>> --
>> Jim Manico
>> @Manicode
>> (808) 652-3805
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org 
>> <mailto:tomb at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just asking for what is the problem you are seeking advice on the 
>>> governance list of the association?
>>>
>>> Has there been a complaint? Is there a issue that needs to be 
>>> managed by a existing policy for such or is there a recommendation 
>>> to create a more? Is it a question to a public archive to resolve 
>>> done identified issue?
>>>
>>> I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.. Just confused and 
>>> hence the email asking for clarity.
>>>
>>> Btw I'm jealous that Yiannis is enjoying Casa Manico while I dig out 
>>> of 11inches of snow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to 
>>> discuss
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
>>> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ad, Tom?
>>>>
>>>> This is a small list of folks I mostly know well who are especially 
>>>> interested in these issues.
>>>>
>>>> So your answer is that my question itself on-list is unethical?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Manico
>>>> @Manicode
>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org 
>>>> <mailto:tomb at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On the choochoo this morning to NYC to give some training myself.. 
>>>>> thought I would catch up on some emails @owasp bucket.
>>>>>
>>>>> In response to yours, members of the board have jobs that pay 
>>>>> bills that somehow are involved in software industry that would 
>>>>> likely be true of everyone in the association membership.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even a few of them have books, papers, projects, talks and 
>>>>> involved in testimony to congress or pet alligators etc...  So 
>>>>> what's your question?
>>>>>
>>>>> As per the conflict of interest policy you agreed to and signed if 
>>>>> your in conflict with it or can not meet the bylaw duties as 
>>>>> written everyone is free to step down or step up to meet them or 
>>>>> lobby to change them or abstain when needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I am confused but your email to this governance list is 
>>>>> asking for help on what exactly -- or simply raising visibility 
>>>>> via your "ad" that your offering training and writing a book? What 
>>>>> is the defined problem? Is there a complaint that requires 
>>>>> "governance" as defined: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance
>>>>>
>>>>> Your loved man just not clear what your asking to provide 
>>>>> suggestions... New business for the upcoming board meeting perhaps 
>>>>> to clarify or discuss face to face on the 24th?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Sent from my mobile autocorrect typos included call 9732020122 to 
>>>>> discuss
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 5:06 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
>>>>> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I work as a freelancer now and make a living delivering onsite
>>>>>> security training. I'm also working on a book. These are both things
>>>>>> that OWASP monetizes as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like my efforts at OWASP as a board member and volunteer 
>>>>>> are in
>>>>>> conflict with my professional work. It's a pretty clear conflict of
>>>>>> interest. Would you care to provide guidance or suggestions over this
>>>>>> matter? I try to take the ethical path but I'd like to check in with
>>>>>> governance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
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