[Global_industry_committee] [Owasp-board] Industry Survey

Rex Booth rex.booth at owasp.org
Thu Aug 18 20:16:41 EDT 2011

Eoin and Jeff - good questions and fair concerns.  Let me briefly 
address them.

Eoin - I understand your concern about GT riding the OWASP wave.  A 
couple points to hopefully assuage:

 1. I'm the primary point of contact within GT.  Yes, of course, I
    recognize the value of being associated with OWASP, but in my 5+
    years in the org, I've only acted in ways that respect the mission
    and culture.  I will ensure that my firm does not violate our values.
 2. The draft MOU is very clear about what GT's role will be in the
    survey.  Our participation outside of the MOU will be limited to
    individuals conducting surveys on behalf of OWASP - just as will
    dozens of others from various firms across the globe.
 3. Other than sponsorship of the survey (earned through hundreds of
    support hours related to survey execution, analysis and production),
    the advantage we receive from this activity will be available to all
    other OWASP participants - face time with CISOs - but it will be
    strictly controlled.  I intend to host an "interview training
    session" for all interviewers (GT and non-GT) to explain how we
    should conduct ourselves.

Jeff - regarding the goals and output.  I've attached a slide deck that 
provides an overview of our intent and approach.  This may answer some 
of your questions.

In addition, I should note that GT has extensive experience developing 
and executing meaningful, professional surveys for various 
organizations, including AGA and TechAmerica.  We know how to do this 
and do it well.  I'm happy to host a conference call between OWASP and 
our primary survey manager if anybody is interested.

Please let me know if I can address any other questions.


On 8/18/2011 6:16 PM, Eoin wrote:
> The longest email if have written in a while......
> Jeff we talked about this over a year ago and you still maintain the 
> same point, I respect that.
> The survey in mind shall address the views of industry such that owasp 
> can listen. The survey is not about what owasp want but what the 
> respondents want.
> It's a good start and Rex has taken and ran with this. Only concern 
> for me is GT riding the owasp wave, as this survey is for owasp to use 
> in order to find focus and direction, core aspect of industry focus is 
> to act on indicate concerns.
> I believe the first draft of the survey needs to be reviewed to help 
> ensure it is asking the right questions as the answers are easy, 
> asking the right questions are hard. I don't believe GT should have 
> control over the questions being asked for example.
> Can we agree to pit a little time aside to review the first draft of 
> the survey such that the majority is happy with the level, direction, 
> intended audience, amount of questions, coverage etc.
> Eoin
> On 18 Aug 2011, at 22:15, "Jeff Williams" <jeff.williams at owasp.org 
> <mailto:jeff.williams at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> Tom,
>> I like the idea of doing a survey and I think collaborating with a 
>> firm like GT is a good idea.  We've discussed the idea for years and 
>> I've raised the same questions every time.  I question whether we 
>> have the capability to produce a good survey instrument.  Survey 
>> design is considerably more difficult than writing down a few 
>> questions.  It's a scientific experiment and it need careful design.
>> For this, I'd like to understand...
>> ·What are the specific goals of the survey?
>> ·What exactly is it that OWASP is trying to find out?
>> If OWASP is to be responsible for coming up with the questions, we 
>> need to follow some kind of process to derive survey questions that 
>> will specifically answer some interesting questions about our 
>> space.   It's hard to create questions that both achieve our goals 
>> and is not biased in any way.
>> Personally I think a survey could help answer specific questions around:
>> ·Standards that OWASP could produce
>> ·How appsec budgets are divided across training, secure coding, 
>> verification, mgmt.
>> ·Org structure around appsec roles
>> ·Metrics used to report appsec to management
>> ·Percentage of application portfolio regularly assessed in appsec 
>> verification program
>> ·Percentage of Internal apps vs. external apps covered
>> ·Use of standard application security controls
>> ·Which OWASP projects are most useful
>> But there's a lot of work to change these topics into specific 
>> experiments embodied in one or more survey questions.
>> --Jeff
>> *From:*owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org 
>> <mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org> 
>> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tom Brennan
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 12:06 PM
>> *To:* OWASP Foundation Board List
>> *Cc:* Rex Booth; Michael Coates; Global_industry_committee; Rex 
>> Booth; committees-chairs at lists.owasp.org 
>> <mailto:committees-chairs at lists.owasp.org>
>> *Subject:* [Owasp-board] Industry Survey
>> Board,
>> After several months of discussions across global committees the 
>> attached has been submitted by Grant Thorton to conduct a 
>> collaborative industry study.   The agreement is attached for review 
>> and approval including citing reference for end result.
>> Please read and vote on your decision to support this effort in 
>> producing a collaboration document.  I suspect that we will likely 
>> see more of these types of agreements between business and OWASP to 
>> set a understanding as part of the growing ecosystem that wants to 
>> understand
>> After discussions with multiple parties since AppSecEU I support this 
>> and vote to approve this "project" effort.
>> Please review and vote YES/NO/ABSTAIN prior to the September Board 
>> meeting at AppSecUSA
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