[Global_conference_committee] Amendments to the recently approved GCC Governance Document (was: vote thread)

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Sat Dec 18 13:14:51 EST 2010


Can you think of the scenarious where you would need a 'secret vote'?

Dinis Cruz

On 18 Dec 2010, at 16:16, Lucas Ferreira <lucas.ferreira at owasp.org>
wrote:

> Regarding the need to step aside during calls, maybe secret votes
> could be a solution. In the case more than one committee member
> requires, we should implement secret votes. Some may argue that this
> goes against the required openess, but I secret votes may be important
> in some accasions.
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> Regards,
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> Lucas
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> On Friday, December 17, 2010, Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>>  John,
>> Inline comments below.
>> FYI All, Looped in the GCC list.
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>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 10:39 AM, John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org
>> > wrote:
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>> 2010/12/17 Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
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>> So john, some inline comments to your comments below.
>> Also, do you approve the doc as is and want to put up separate
>> changes, or is this a reject?  If so, we'll re-open for discussion.
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>> I approve as long as we can discuss and get changes in there
>> eventually.
>> Doing it now,  Looped in the main GCC list.
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>> I like Mark but I still think we should have a max on how many
>> years (in a row) you can be chair. My suggestion is three years.
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>> Fine by me.  If I got elected for 2011, would make it my last year.
>> To be clear – I think you're doing a great job and I'm not challen
>> ging you. But I think it's healthy to have a max. Would be good fo
>> r the OWASP Board too. People tend to deliver their best if they k
>> now the timeframe for their engagement and there's a natural succe
>> ssion when people know there has to be a new leader/chair chosen.
>> Look at American presidents vs Swedish ever-prime ministers. I muc
>> h prefer the American "you get two terms max".
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>> A) feel free to challenge meB) I agree, some term limits are
>> healthy to keep things fresh.  I agree on the board comment but
>> that's for the new Governance working session that I just found out
>> I'm in......
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>> C) I don't think that Lifetime MAXes are necessary, but i"m good
>> with only 3 consecutive years.
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>> We need to comment that scheduling of the meetings have to take
>> into consideration the different time zones we're in. I constantly
>> have trouble attending OWASP phone calls because they're in odd
>> time of the day or night. If I have a Skype meeting until 1 am I
>> will not do a good job the day after. Mark has been good in
>> scheduling so far but we should have a sentence about not only
>> fitting for instance US time zones. I suspect any Asian GCC members
>> will have a lot to say about this.
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>> Since a GCC member can be kicked out if not attending enough
>> meetings the scheduling is important.
>> I think that "Meetings will be scheduled based on the availability
>> of the majority of the members" settles this somewhat.  This forces
>> some type of "polling" in order to set the meeting date time.  Much
>> like I use Doodle now for scheduling.
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>> Yeah. As long as we don't end up in the GCC always having a
>> majority of people in certain time zones so the majority of members
>> constantly prefer that time zone.
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>> This is an entirely separate problem.  I'd love to have more people
>> from europe, asia and south america on the committee but
>> unfortunately we haven't had many takers to date.  I think that we
>> as a committee should not accept additional members from the US
>> unless one resigns.
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>> Add a sentence about the GCC member(s) with conflicting interests
>> to temporarily leave the meeting during discussion. This is
>> important if we want to have an open and effective committee. For
>> instance – if AppSec in Stockholm would have produced a loss and t
>> he GCC wanted to discuss this you would have asked me questions fi
>> rst and then discussed privately for 10 minutes without me hearing.
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>> Recusal is not a bad idea, however since our meetings are open to
>> anyone to join it would be odd for the GCC member to have to leave
>> when anyone in OWASP is welcome to stay.
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>> I wouldn't mind. As a formal member I understand that people will
>> need to discuss freely for the committee to reach the right decision.
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>> I just feel this is counter to "openness".  It's a tough call,
>> because if I wasn't a GCC member, and I knew the GCC was taking
>> something up important to me, I'd be on the call anyway to argue my
>> case if needed.  However I find that I'm better with mental
>> compartmentalization than most.
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>> I don't it'll be a problem but gas prices vary a lot around the
>> globe. For instance gas is USD 7 per gallon in Sweden. So we might
>> want to say something about adjusting for local gas prices.
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>> Do you have an internationally recognized index we can throw in here?
>> :D. No, but just a note on proving by receipt what your fuel costs
>> were per km/mile would be fine. Then we can default to the amount
>> you have there.
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>> Well, on tho the 2011 plan vote so we can ask the board for funds
>> for this to matter ;)
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>>    /John
>> --
>> John Wilander, https://twitter.com/johnwilander
>> Chapter co-leader OWASP Sweden, http://owaspsweden.blogspot.com
>>  <http://owaspsweden.blogspot.com>Co-organizer Global Summit, http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Summit_2011
>>  <http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Summit_2011>Conf Comm, http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Global_Conferences_Committee
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>> --
>> Mark Bristow
>> (703) 596-5175
>> mark.bristow at owasp.org
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>> OWASP Global Conferences Committee Chair - http://is.gd/5MTvF
>> OWASP DC Chapter Co-Chair - http://is.gd/5MTwu
>> AppSec DC Organizer - https://www.appsecdc.org
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>> --
>> Mark Bristow
>> (703) 596-5175
>> mark.bristow at owasp.org
>>
>> OWASP Global Conferences Committee Chair - http://is.gd/5MTvF
>> OWASP DC Chapter Co-Chair - http://is.gd/5MTwu
>> AppSec DC Organizer - https://www.appsecdc.org
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