[Global_conference_committee] Vendor Pitches; Global_conference_committee Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26

dinis cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Wed Dec 1 14:18:44 EST 2010


Not really Carlos

the idea is that there should be NO marketing messages at at OWASP official
events or communication or wiki

The only exception is the vendor area where the vendors have their booths
and can freely speak about their products or services

Dinis Cruz

2010/12/1 Carlos Serrão <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>

> Ok,
> but this:
> " A wrap up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is
> acceptable practice."
>
> is ok? Right?
>
> And they can use the time to talk freely?
>
> Best regards.
>
> On 2010/12/01, at 18:57, Mark Bristow wrote:
>
> I would say even in this scenario this would not be consistent with OWASP
> core values.
>
> -Mark
>
> 2010/12/1 Carlos Serrão <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>
>> Dear Richard,
>> this is why I was proposing a parallel sponsor track, to give people the
>> option to go there or not. If they choose to go, it is ok, if they do not
>> wish to go they have other alternatives. This is acceptable under what you
>> are saying?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> On 2010/12/01, at 05:20, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>
>> There should never be a vendor track; a technology track, ok. But, people
>> don't spend their money to go to conferences to hear vendor pitches. A wrap
>> up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is acceptable
>> practice. People can elect to stay or leave.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <
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>>>   1. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Mark Bristow)
>>>   2. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Carlos Serr?o)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:08:43 -0500
>>> From: Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: global_conference_committee
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>>> I would actually shy away from this entirely.  It's much easier to have a
>>> "no vendor pitch" policy than "pitches are sometimes ok, sometimes not"
>>> policy.  I'd rather miss out on a sponsor than compromise OWASP's
>>> integrity.
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>> 2010/11/30 John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>>
>>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information?
>>> I
>>> > would be fine with that.
>>> >
>>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>>> > vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>>> >
>>> >    /John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> >
>>> >> Lucas,
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Carlos,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>>> >> > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>>> >> > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their
>>> message.
>>> >> > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>>> >> > conference.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>>> >> > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the
>>> audience
>>> >> > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>>> >> > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>>> >> > Brazilian conferences.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>>> >> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>>> >> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice
>>> under
>>> >> OWASP. Is it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Please, someone, advise.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Lucas
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> >> >> Yes,
>>> >> >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>>> message.
>>> >> I also agree with you.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>>> >> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>>> >> sponsors on our events.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>>> >> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Best regards.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Carlos,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>>> acceptable.
>>> >> >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>>> >> >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>>> think
>>> >> >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that
>>> we
>>> >> >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>>> >> >>> subject.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Lucas
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> >> >>>> Lucas,
>>> >> >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>>> >> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>>> >> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>>> negotiating
>>> >> >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>>> >> >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Lucas
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> --
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:09:42 +0000
>>> From: Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: global_conference_committee
>>>        <global_conference_committee at lists.owasp.org>
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>>> No,
>>>
>>> my idea was to have a separate "Sponsors Track" where sponsors could
>>> deliver their message. I was thinking this would occur in a different room
>>> as a parallel session to other technical session occurring on other rooms.
>>>
>>> I would like to know the official position about OWASP on this... is this
>>> acceptable under OWASP rules. Yes or no. If not what can we do to offer more
>>> visibility to sponsors?
>>>
>>> Apart from that we will distribute sponsors brochures to participants,
>>> but I believe this does not raise to many questions, right?
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>>
>>> On 2010/11/30, at 16:05, John Wilander wrote:
>>>
>>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information?
>>> I would be fine with that.
>>> >
>>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>>> vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>>> >
>>> >    /John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> > Lucas,
>>> >
>>> > On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Carlos,
>>> > >
>>> > > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>>> > > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>>> > > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
>>> > > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>>> > > conference.
>>> > >
>>> > > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>>> > > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the
>>> audience
>>> > > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>>> > > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>>> > > Brazilian conferences.
>>> >
>>> > This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>>> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>>> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice under
>>> OWASP. Is it?
>>> >
>>> > Please, someone, advise.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > >
>>> > > Lucas
>>> > >
>>> > > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> > >> Yes,
>>> > >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>>> message. I also agree with you.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>>> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>>> sponsors on our events.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>>> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Best regards.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Carlos,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>>> acceptable.
>>> > >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>>> > >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>>> think
>>> > >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that
>>> we
>>> > >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>>> > >>> subject.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Lucas
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> > >>>> Lucas,
>>> > >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>>> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>>> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Best regards,
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>>> negotiating
>>> > >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>>> > >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Lucas
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>> Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum.
>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/global_conference_committee
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
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