[Global_conference_committee] Vendor Pitches; Global_conference_committee Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26

Mark Bristow mark.bristow at owasp.org
Wed Dec 1 14:09:21 EST 2010


Definitely no issue with this.

Having sponsors for "things" is fine too, lunch, coffee, tracks et all is
also fine so long as the advertising isn't overwhelming.

2010/12/1 Carlos Serrão <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>

> Ok,
> but this:
> " A wrap up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is
> acceptable practice."
>
> is ok? Right?
>
> And they can use the time to talk freely?
>
> Best regards.
>
> On 2010/12/01, at 18:57, Mark Bristow wrote:
>
> I would say even in this scenario this would not be consistent with OWASP
> core values.
>
> -Mark
>
> 2010/12/1 Carlos Serrão <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>
>> Dear Richard,
>> this is why I was proposing a parallel sponsor track, to give people the
>> option to go there or not. If they choose to go, it is ok, if they do not
>> wish to go they have other alternatives. This is acceptable under what you
>> are saying?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> On 2010/12/01, at 05:20, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>
>> There should never be a vendor track; a technology track, ok. But, people
>> don't spend their money to go to conferences to hear vendor pitches. A wrap
>> up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is acceptable
>> practice. People can elect to stay or leave.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <
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>>>   1. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Mark Bristow)
>>>   2. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Carlos Serr?o)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:08:43 -0500
>>> From: Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
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>>> I would actually shy away from this entirely.  It's much easier to have a
>>> "no vendor pitch" policy than "pitches are sometimes ok, sometimes not"
>>> policy.  I'd rather miss out on a sponsor than compromise OWASP's
>>> integrity.
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>>
>>> 2010/11/30 John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>>
>>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information?
>>> I
>>> > would be fine with that.
>>> >
>>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>>> > vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>>> >
>>> >    /John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> >
>>> >> Lucas,
>>> >>
>>> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Carlos,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>>> >> > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>>> >> > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their
>>> message.
>>> >> > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>>> >> > conference.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>>> >> > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the
>>> audience
>>> >> > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>>> >> > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>>> >> > Brazilian conferences.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>>> >> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>>> >> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice
>>> under
>>> >> OWASP. Is it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Please, someone, advise.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Lucas
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> >> >> Yes,
>>> >> >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>>> message.
>>> >> I also agree with you.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>>> >> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>>> >> sponsors on our events.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>>> >> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Best regards.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Carlos,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>>> acceptable.
>>> >> >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>>> >> >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>>> think
>>> >> >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that
>>> we
>>> >> >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>>> >> >>> subject.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Lucas
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> >> >>>> Lucas,
>>> >> >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>>> >> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>>> >> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>>> negotiating
>>> >> >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>>> >> >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Lucas
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> --
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>>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:09:42 +0000
>>> From: Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: global_conference_committee
>>>        <global_conference_committee at lists.owasp.org>
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>>> No,
>>>
>>> my idea was to have a separate "Sponsors Track" where sponsors could
>>> deliver their message. I was thinking this would occur in a different room
>>> as a parallel session to other technical session occurring on other rooms.
>>>
>>> I would like to know the official position about OWASP on this... is this
>>> acceptable under OWASP rules. Yes or no. If not what can we do to offer more
>>> visibility to sponsors?
>>>
>>> Apart from that we will distribute sponsors brochures to participants,
>>> but I believe this does not raise to many questions, right?
>>>
>>> Best regards.
>>>
>>> On 2010/11/30, at 16:05, John Wilander wrote:
>>>
>>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information?
>>> I would be fine with that.
>>> >
>>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>>> vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>>> >
>>> >    /John
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>>> > Lucas,
>>> >
>>> > On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Carlos,
>>> > >
>>> > > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>>> > > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>>> > > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
>>> > > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>>> > > conference.
>>> > >
>>> > > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>>> > > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the
>>> audience
>>> > > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>>> > > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>>> > > Brazilian conferences.
>>> >
>>> > This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>>> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>>> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice under
>>> OWASP. Is it?
>>> >
>>> > Please, someone, advise.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > >
>>> > > Lucas
>>> > >
>>> > > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> > >> Yes,
>>> > >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>>> message. I also agree with you.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>>> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>>> sponsors on our events.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>>> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Best regards.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Carlos,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>>> acceptable.
>>> > >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>>> > >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>>> think
>>> > >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that
>>> we
>>> > >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>>> > >>> subject.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Regards,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Lucas
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>>> > >>>> Lucas,
>>> > >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>>> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>>> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Best regards,
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>>> negotiating
>>> > >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>>> > >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Lucas
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> --
>>> > >>>>> Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum.
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>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --
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