[Global_conference_committee] Vendor Pitches; Global_conference_committee Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26

Mark Bristow mark.bristow at owasp.org
Wed Dec 1 13:57:54 EST 2010


I would say even in this scenario this would not be consistent with OWASP
core values.

-Mark

2010/12/1 Carlos Serrão <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>

> Dear Richard,
> this is why I was proposing a parallel sponsor track, to give people the
> option to go there or not. If they choose to go, it is ok, if they do not
> wish to go they have other alternatives. This is acceptable under what you
> are saying?
>
> Best regards,
>
> On 2010/12/01, at 05:20, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>
> There should never be a vendor track; a technology track, ok. But, people
> don't spend their money to go to conferences to hear vendor pitches. A wrap
> up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is acceptable
> practice. People can elect to stay or leave.
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <
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>>   1. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Mark Bristow)
>>   2. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Carlos Serr?o)
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>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:08:43 -0500
>> From: Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>> Cc: global_conference_committee
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>> I would actually shy away from this entirely.  It's much easier to have a
>> "no vendor pitch" policy than "pitches are sometimes ok, sometimes not"
>> policy.  I'd rather miss out on a sponsor than compromise OWASP's
>> integrity.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> 2010/11/30 John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>>
>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information? I
>> > would be fine with that.
>> >
>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>> > vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>> >
>> >    /John
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>> >
>> >> Lucas,
>> >>
>> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Carlos,
>> >> >
>> >> > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>> >> > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>> >> > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
>> >> > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>> >> > conference.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>> >> > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the
>> audience
>> >> > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>> >> > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>> >> > Brazilian conferences.
>> >>
>> >> This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>> >> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>> >> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice
>> under
>> >> OWASP. Is it?
>> >>
>> >> Please, someone, advise.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Lucas
>> >> >
>> >> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>> >> >> Yes,
>> >> >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>> message.
>> >> I also agree with you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>> >> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>> >> sponsors on our events.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>> >> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best regards.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Carlos,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>> acceptable.
>> >> >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>> >> >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>> think
>> >> >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that
>> we
>> >> >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>> >> >>> subject.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Lucas
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>> >> >>>> Lucas,
>> >> >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>> >> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>> >> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Best regards,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>> negotiating
>> >> >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>> >> >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Lucas
>> >> >>>>>
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>> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:09:42 +0000
>> From: Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
>> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>> Cc: global_conference_committee
>>        <global_conference_committee at lists.owasp.org>
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>> No,
>>
>> my idea was to have a separate "Sponsors Track" where sponsors could
>> deliver their message. I was thinking this would occur in a different room
>> as a parallel session to other technical session occurring on other rooms.
>>
>> I would like to know the official position about OWASP on this... is this
>> acceptable under OWASP rules. Yes or no. If not what can we do to offer more
>> visibility to sponsors?
>>
>> Apart from that we will distribute sponsors brochures to participants, but
>> I believe this does not raise to many questions, right?
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> On 2010/11/30, at 16:05, John Wilander wrote:
>>
>> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information? I
>> would be fine with that.
>> >
>> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
>> vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
>> >
>> >    /John
>> >
>> >
>> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
>> > Lucas,
>> >
>> > On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> >
>> > > Carlos,
>> > >
>> > > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
>> > > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
>> > > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
>> > > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
>> > > conference.
>> > >
>> > > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
>> > > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the audience
>> > > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
>> > > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
>> > > Brazilian conferences.
>> >
>> > This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
>> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
>> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice under
>> OWASP. Is it?
>> >
>> > Please, someone, advise.
>> >
>> > Best regards.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Lucas
>> > >
>> > > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>> > >> Yes,
>> > >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
>> message. I also agree with you.
>> > >>
>> > >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
>> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
>> sponsors on our events.
>> > >>
>> > >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
>> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
>> > >>
>> > >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards.
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Carlos,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
>> acceptable.
>> > >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
>> > >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
>> think
>> > >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that we
>> > >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
>> > >>> subject.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Regards,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Lucas
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
>> > >>>> Lucas,
>> > >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
>> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
>> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best regards,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
>> negotiating
>> > >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
>> > >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Lucas
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum.
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