[Global_conference_committee] Vendor Pitches; Global_conference_committee Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26

Richard Greenberg richard.greenberg at owasp.org
Wed Dec 1 00:20:57 EST 2010


There should never be a vendor track; a technology track, ok. But, people
don't spend their money to go to conferences to hear vendor pitches. A wrap
up at the end, with raffles and a max of 5 minutes per vendor is acceptable
practice. People can elect to stay or leave.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, <
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>   1. Re: IBWAS Sponsor talks (Mark Bristow)
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> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:08:43 -0500
> From: Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org>
> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
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> I would actually shy away from this entirely.  It's much easier to have a
> "no vendor pitch" policy than "pitches are sometimes ok, sometimes not"
> policy.  I'd rather miss out on a sponsor than compromise OWASP's
> integrity.
>
> -Mark
>
> 2010/11/30 John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
>
> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information? I
> > would be fine with that.
> >
> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
> > vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
> >
> >    /John
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
> >
> >> Lucas,
> >>
> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> >>
> >> > Carlos,
> >> >
> >> > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
> >> > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
> >> > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
> >> > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
> >> > conference.
> >> >
> >> > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
> >> > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the audience
> >> > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
> >> > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
> >> > Brazilian conferences.
> >>
> >> This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
> >> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
> >> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice under
> >> OWASP. Is it?
> >>
> >> Please, someone, advise.
> >>
> >> Best regards.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Lucas
> >> >
> >> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
> >> >> Yes,
> >> >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
> message.
> >> I also agree with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
> >> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
> >> sponsors on our events.
> >> >>
> >> >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
> >> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
> >> >>
> >> >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Carlos,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
> acceptable.
> >> >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
> >> >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
> think
> >> >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that we
> >> >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
> >> >>> subject.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Lucas
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
> >> >>>> Lucas,
> >> >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
> >> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
> >> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Best regards,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
> negotiating
> >> >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
> >> >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Lucas
> >> >>>>>
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> From: Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
> Subject: Re: [Global_conference_committee] IBWAS Sponsor talks
> To: John Wilander <john.wilander at owasp.org>
> Cc: global_conference_committee
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> No,
>
> my idea was to have a separate "Sponsors Track" where sponsors could
> deliver their message. I was thinking this would occur in a different room
> as a parallel session to other technical session occurring on other rooms.
>
> I would like to know the official position about OWASP on this... is this
> acceptable under OWASP rules. Yes or no. If not what can we do to offer more
> visibility to sponsors?
>
> Apart from that we will distribute sponsors brochures to participants, but
> I believe this does not raise to many questions, right?
>
> Best regards.
>
> On 2010/11/30, at 16:05, John Wilander wrote:
>
> > Clear sponsor messages, not bundled with vital conference information? I
> would be fine with that.
> >
> > Disguised sponsor talks or "listen to the sponsor talks or you'll miss
> vital conference information"? That's what I'm against.
> >
> >    /John
> >
> >
> > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>
> > Lucas,
> >
> > On 2010/11/30, at 15:48, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> >
> > > Carlos,
> > >
> > > at AppSec Brasil 2010, we had a 5 to 10 minute slot to thank the
> > > sponsors. In this slot, we thanked the sponsors and their
> > > representatives (2 sponsors) had a few minutes to send their message.
> > > We also had raffles that were randomly scheduled throughout the
> > > conference.
> > >
> > > I have no restrictions about giving time to sponsors to speak about
> > > their products, but there should be a clear indication to the audience
> > > that the talk is an advertisement. What I dislike is having sponsor
> > > slots disguised as technical talks, as we see a lot in several
> > > Brazilian conferences.
> >
> > This is what I had in mind!!! I was think of having a specific small
> sponsor track, so that everyone would know that the message is clearly
> market-oriented. But apparently this is not an acceptable practice under
> OWASP. Is it?
> >
> > Please, someone, advise.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Lucas
> > >
> > > 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
> > >> Yes,
> > >> I think that is absolutely necessary, and I thank you for your
> message. I also agree with you.
> > >>
> > >> At the moment we don't have yet anything definitive and agreed with
> sponsors, we just need to know what type of visibility can we give to
> sponsors on our events.
> > >>
> > >> We need help, to define this... we need sponsors, but sponsors also
> want to see their investment somehow returned in terms of visibility.
> > >>
> > >> How do we do this... under OWASP practices?
> > >>
> > >> Best regards.
> > >>
> > >> On 2010/11/30, at 15:28, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Carlos,
> > >>>
> > >>> that's why I think we need a policy: to make clear what is
> acceptable.
> > >>> Maybe you could give us a better explanation on what is being
> > >>> negotiated with the sponsors.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am not trying to change the way IBWAS is being managed, I just
> think
> > >>> this is a relevant issue that arises in most conferences and that we
> > >>> (GCC) need to give conference organizers clear guidance on the
> > >>> subject.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> Lucas
> > >>>
> > >>> 2010/11/30 Carlos Serr?o <carlos.serrao at owasp.org>:
> > >>>> Lucas,
> > >>>> we are not "negotiating sponsor talks". What we want to do is to
> offer visibility to the sponsors of our events without offending the
> practices of OWASP. We just need to find a solution suitable for both.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best regards,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2010/11/30, at 15:10, Lucas Ferreira wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hello GCC Members,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> the IBWAS, OWASP's conference for Portugal and Spain, is
> negotiating
> > >>>>> sponsor talks. Do we have a policy about that? If not, this is
> > >>>>> something we need to put in the agenda to define a policy soon.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Lucas
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum.
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum.
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