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    I also defend the idea of collaboration between chapters in order to
    achieve great conferences results - when I say collaboration I do
    mean <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/collaborate">collaborate</a>
    (<i><span id="hotword"><span style="cursor: default;
          background-color: transparent;" id="hotword" name="hotword">to</span>
        <span style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">work,</span> <span style="cursor:
          default; background-color: transparent;" id="hotword"
          name="hotword">one</span> <span style="cursor: default;
          background-color: transparent;" id="hotword" name="hotword">with</span>
        <span style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">another;</span> <span
          style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">cooperate,</span> <span
          style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">as</span> <span style="cursor:
          default; background-color: transparent;" id="hotword"
          name="hotword">on</span> <span style="cursor: default;
          background-color: transparent;" id="hotword" name="hotword">a</span>
        <span style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">literary</span> <span
          style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;"
          id="hotword" name="hotword">work</span></span></i>), in other
    words, without having profits in mind. <br>
    <br>
    However, aiming to compensate the collaboration on conferences and
    have a fair support of OWASP, I do defend the idea of having
    conferences in different cities yearly according to local chapters
    locations. <span id="hotword"><span style="cursor: default;
        background-color: transparent;" id="hotword" name="hotword">Nevertheless,
      </span></span>we can't forget the hard work necessary of local
    chapters to host a conference -- I know that because after the
    AppSec Brazil 2010 (last month), I don't stop thinking and working
    on AppSec 2011 -- it's already being time-consuming.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-signature">L. <b>Gustavo</b> C. <b>Barbato</b>,
      Ph.D.<br>
      Chapter Leader, OWASP Porto Alegre / <b>Brazil</b> <br>
      Global Chapter Committee Member<br>
      <a href="http://www.owasp.org/index.php/User:Gustavo_Barbato">
        http://www.owasp.org/index.php/User:Gustavo_Barbato</a>
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    On 12/15/2010 12:29 PM, Mark Bristow wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AANLkTi=ue=jGiYmDh7oYT=gs7x+TDM8JD1WLxVh6tAnn@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Comments forwarded on Lucas's behalf (he's on vacation
      and can't send as the right user.....)
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        <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
          arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;">I
          don't like the idea of having one chapter getting so more
          funds then<br>
          others. For AppSec Brasil, we will have people from multiple
          chapters<br>
          involved and it would not be nice to have one chapter getting
          all the<br>
          money. Having to decide a split amongst chapters would need
          energy<br>
          that could be better used somewhere else.<br>
          <br>
          In principle, I don't like the idea of having chapters
          "fighting" for<br>
          money, and we may have this in the future if the chapter split
          is too<br>
          high. I'm afraid collaboration may decrease in the long run.
          On the<br>
          oher hand, I'd like to see a solution that increases the
          involvement<br>
          of chapter leader in our conferences, specially to have people
          from<br>
          different chpaters to collaborate in conference teams.<br>
          <br>
          I think that having many chapters with some money is better
          than<br>
          having a few chapters with a lot of money. I think we should
          invest<br>
          more in getting more active chapters than making a few
          chapters more<br>
          active.<br>
          <br>
          The fund idea seams a good solution to me.<br>
          <br>
          Regards,<br>
          <br>
          Lucas<br>
        </span><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Neil
          Matatall <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:neil@owasp.org">neil@owasp.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
            padding-left: 1ex;">
            Well this thread has become epic and unfortunately I haven't
            been able<br>
            to catch all of the ideas. &nbsp;I really hope I can catch up,
            but why<br>
            don't we have a conference call or discuss this at the
            summit (those<br>
            not in attendance will have to be accommodated somehow)?<br>
            <br>
            Times like these make me wish my phone has an "threaded"
            email view :(<br>
            <div>
              <div class="h5"><br>
                On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jason Li &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://jason.li"
                  target="_blank">jason.li</a>@<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://owasp.org" target="_blank">owasp.org</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
                &gt; So taking Michael's suggestion of starting fresh,
                I've cleared the long<br>
                &gt; quote of the thread.<br>
                &gt; As an observer to the thread, I'm going to capture
                what I think has been<br>
                &gt; mentioned so far on the thread.<br>
                &gt;<br>
                &gt; And then I'll weigh in with my humble opinion,
                keeping in mind that I am not<br>
                &gt; involved in the Conferences Committee, Membership
                Committee, Chapter<br>
                &gt; Committee, or the Board (in other words, I'm a
                nobody in this conversation<br>
                &gt; :)).<br>
                &gt; ----<br>
                &gt; Summary of Problem:<br>
                &gt; Where does Conference revenue go?<br>
                &gt; Points of Concern:<br>
                &gt; 1) Conferences are put on with the assistance of
                local chapters and<br>
                &gt; coordination/support from the OWASP mothership<br>
                &gt; 2) We want a way to reward local chapters for their
                help with<br>
                &gt; running/coordinating a conference<br>
                &gt; 3) We want conference attendees the option to get
                OWASP Memberships bundled<br>
                &gt; in with the conference<br>
                &gt; 4) Chapters need money to do things<br>
                &gt; -------<br>
                &gt; Now with that out of the way, my personal thoughts:<br>
                &gt; #4 is completely independent of Conference revenue.
                There are lots of other<br>
                &gt; OWASP sectors that also need money to do things
                (Projects and Summits for<br>
                &gt; example). If there is a need for Chapters to do
                something, then this should<br>
                &gt; be allocated out of the main OWASP mothership
                budget and not out of<br>
                &gt; Conference revenue.<br>
                &gt; In my view, conference revenue should go to one of
                three places:<br>
                &gt; 1) OWASP Mothership fund (where the Board can then
                re-allocate as needed to<br>
                &gt; support Chapters or other initiatives as
                appropriate)<br>
                &gt; 2) Local Chapter(s) supporting the conference (in
                order to recognize their<br>
                &gt; support)<br>
                &gt; 3) Conferences fund managed by the Conferences
                Committee<br>
                &gt; I'm not even sure if #3 is really necessary as that
                could also fall under<br>
                &gt; #1.<br>
                &gt; The only real debate is what proportion of the
                revenue should go into which<br>
                &gt; bucket. That's where I believe this debate
                originally started. All this<br>
                &gt; other talk about chapter needs and a chapter fund
                has clouded the<br>
                &gt; discussion.<br>
                &gt; -Jason<br>
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              Neil<br>
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        -- <br>
        Mark Bristow<br>
        (703) 596-5175<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mark.bristow@owasp.org"
          target="_blank">mark.bristow@owasp.org</a><br>
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          href="http://is.gd/5MTwu" target="_blank">http://is.gd/5MTwu</a><br>
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