[Global_chapter_committee] Issue with new leader

Richard Greenberg richard.greenberg at owasp.org
Sat Apr 27 19:15:39 UTC 2013


I am the LA Chapter leader, and have made several attempts at doing exactly what you propose; to no avail. This has dragged on for years. Time for action.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org>
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:16:09 
To: Richard Greenberg<richard.greenberg at owasp.org>
Cc: Neil Matatall<neil.matatall at gmail.com>; Jim Manico<jim.manico at owasp.org>; tom.brennan at owasp.org<tom.brennan at owasp.org>; Sebastien Deleersnyder<seba at owasp.org>; dave wichers<dave.wichers at owasp.org>; global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org<global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org>
Subject: Re: Issue with new leader

I am happy to help here. 
I believe our executive director and her team should talk to OC leadership and see what can be improved.
If the chapter is not "active" as per our definition and there are other people who would like to make it more so, them this is a positive. 
There is no "I" in OWASP

:)



Eoin Keary
Owasp Global Board
+353 87 977 2988


On 27 Apr 2013, at 07:45, Richard Greenberg <richard.greenberg at owasp.org> wrote:

> My understanding is that there is a renewed effort to take action regarding ineffective and almost non-existent leadership at OWASP Orange County.  The current leaders do not uphold the minimum activity requirement of holding 4 meetings a year as stated in the Chapter Leader Handbook, and should be removed. This is not a new issue, and in fact, I have sent several emails previously about this disturbing subject.
> 
> I wanted to remind all of you about the previous attempts that I have made to try to influence the OC Chapter to at least have regularly scheduled meetings and communicate effectively with the many in OC who have an interest in OWASP.
> 
> I wanted to also remind the Committee that the OC Chapter is in an incredibly dense populated area, one with a very large IT corporate presence. The lack of leadership and direction since Neil Matatall stepped down as leader is extremely harmful to the OWASP mission. We really are not in a position to allow this to continue. As you can see, from previous attempts I had made to effect change, included below, this has been going on for several years.
> 
> I encourage you to take action, as recommended by Neil, and refresh your memories of this situation by referring to my missives below. There are many qualified individuals who are very happy to step up and volunteer their e time and energy to reinvigorate the OC Chapter. They have no interest in working with the current leaders.
> 
> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
> President, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org
> ISSA Fellow
> Board of Directors, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org
> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
> (424) 261-8111
> 
> 
> Richard Greenberg <richard.greenberg at owasp.org>
> 11/28/11
> 
> 
> 
> to Tom, Josh, Neil, Sarah, Kelly
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Thanks for joining in. Below is the initial e-mail from Neil on the subject. When I heard of Neil's departure, I immediately tried to help. Neil had tried to jumpstart the OC Chapter and held a sucessful event on January 28th, 2011. Since then, there has been virtually no activity form this chapter. I tried reaching out to Shong, both vis e-mails and phone calls, and his response time of a week left me very surprised. Tin had expressed to me that previously he had a similar experience on another matter in which he had trouble getting responses from Shong.
> 
> The Wiki lists Shong Chong and Rob LaViolette as Orange County Co-Presidents.
> 
> When we finally spoke, I told Shong that I know of dedicated and passionate people ready and willing to step up and help, and that we in LA would be willing to help, as well. He said thanks, but that he wanted to assess the situation and look at where they should be going, now that Neil had left. Curiously, if they were all "Co-presidents, shouldn't they already know this? If not, then they really weren't really co-presidents, which is my suspicion. 
> 
> The last OWASP OC twitter was Aug 31st.
> 
> Bottom line: no activity in almost a year and bad communication habits, unsuitable for a Chapter lead. There also has been no apparent planning, and I was a bit shocked at his lack of enthusiasm and willingness to jump on my offer of help and getting new potential Board members.
> 
> His company, Hireright, is listed a s a sponsor on the Wiki.
> 
> Speaking of the Wiki, Neil is still listed as a leader, and he is the only one whose e-mail is listed. Thus, there is no apparent way for anyone to contact anyone at OWASP OC since Neil departed.
> 
> I can assume that you, like me, who I know is passionate about OWASP, find all of this at the very least highly disappointing.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Richard Greenberg <richard.greenberg at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I have had a similar experience. Clearly this current individual is unqualified and inappropriate as a chapter leader, or even 
>> a board Member.
>> 
>> I have assured this person that we have quaified and very interested people willing to step in and cotinue Neil's wqork on building an active and enthusiastic chapter. However, he has no interest.
>> 
>> I suggest the Chapter Committee appoints a temporary Board, and elections are held pretty soon. Wqe in LA have always been willing to help in whatever way we can,m until an official board is established.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2011, Neil Matatall <neil.matatall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello Chapters committee,
>> > I recently gave up my duties as the Orange County, CA chapter lead.  When I left, I declared that the chapter should be merged with the LA chapter because I felt there were no adequate replacements for me in OC.  After the announcement, an individual stepped up.  While I did not believe in him, I wanted to give him a chance.
>> > This was clearly a mistake.  Many people have already come to me seeing what I can do to help them work with said individual.  He is not a bad person, he is just not right as the Orange County chapter lead.  His communication skills alone have made this incredibly frustrating and it is, to be frank, going to officially drive the chapter into the ground.
>> > I have had many unreturned calls and emails and that is just unacceptable.
>> > What is your guidance?  We have others willing to step up?
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>> Board of Directors, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org
>> Board of Directors, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org
>> OWASP Global Conference Committee
>> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
> 

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