[Global_chapter_committee] Issue with new leader

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Sat Apr 27 07:31:33 UTC 2013


Is there any chance you would be willing to lead the chapter again until
a new replacement with good communication skills can be found?

I do not want to shame the current leaders of the OC chapter, but I
would like to find a new leader who has better leadership and other
necessary skills to make a successful chapter.


> My understanding is that there is a renewed effort to take action regarding
> ineffective and almost non-existent leadership at OWASP Orange County.  The
> current leaders do not uphold the minimum activity requirement of holding 4
> meetings a year as stated in the Chapter Leader Handbook, and should be
> removed. This is not a new issue, and in fact, I have sent several emails
> previously about this disturbing subject.
> I wanted to remind all of you about the previous attempts that I have made
> to try to influence the OC Chapter to at least have regularly
> scheduled meetings and communicate effectively with the many in OC who have
> an interest in OWASP.
> I wanted to also remind the Committee that the OC Chapter is in an
> incredibly dense populated area, one with a very large
> IT corporate presence. The lack of leadership and direction since Neil
> Matatall stepped down as leader is extremely harmful to the OWASP mission.
> We really are not in a position to allow this to continue. As you can see,
> from previous attempts I had made to effect change, included below, this
> has been going on for several years.
> I encourage you to take action, as recommended by Neil, and refresh your
> memories of this situation by referring to my missives below. There are
> many qualified individuals who are very happy to step up and
> volunteer their e time and energy to reinvigorate the OC Chapter. They have
> no interest in working with the current leaders.
> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
> President, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org <http://www.appsecusa.org/>
> ISSA Fellow
> Board of Directors, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org<http://www.appsecusa.org/>
> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
> (424) 261-8111
> Richard Greenberg <richard.greenberg at owasp.org>
> 11/28/11
>  to Tom, Josh, Neil, Sarah, Kelly
>  Tom,
> Thanks for joining in. Below is the initial e-mail from Neil on the
> subject. When I heard of Neil's departure, I immediately tried to help.
> Neil had tried to jumpstart the OC Chapter and held a sucessful event
> on January 28th, 2011. Since then, there has been virtually no activity
> form this chapter. I tried reaching out to Shong, both vis e-mails and
> phone calls, and his response time of a week left me very surprised. Tin
> had expressed to me that previously he had a similar experience on another
> matter in which he had trouble getting responses from Shong.
> The Wiki lists Shong Chong and Rob LaViolette* as Orange County Co-President
> *s.
> When we finally spoke, I told Shong that I know of dedicated and passionate
> people ready and willing to step up and help, and that we in LA would be
> willing to help, as well. He said thanks, but that he wanted to assess the
> situation and look at where they should be going, now that Neil had left.
> Curiously, if they were all "Co-presidents, shouldn't they already know
> this? If not, then they really weren't really co-presidents, which is my
> suspicion.
> The last OWASP OC twitter was Aug 31st.
> Bottom line: no activity in almost a year and bad communication habits,
> unsuitable for a Chapter lead. There also has been no apparent planning,
> and I was a bit shocked at his lack of enthusiasm and willingness to jump
> on my offer of help and getting new potential Board members.
> His company, Hireright, is listed a s a sponsor on the Wiki.
> Speaking of the Wiki, Neil is still listed as a leader, and he is the only
> one whose e-mail is listed. Thus, there is no apparent way for anyone to
> contact anyone at OWASP OC since Neil departed.
> I can assume that you, like me, who I know is passionate about OWASP, find
> all of this at the very least highly disappointing.
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Richard Greenberg <
> richard.greenberg at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I have had a similar experience. Clearly this current individual is
>> unqualified and inappropriate as a chapter leader, or even
>> a board Member.
>> I have assured this person that we have quaified and very interested
>> people willing to step in and cotinue Neil's wqork on building an active
>> and enthusiastic chapter. However, he has no interest.
>> I suggest the Chapter Committee appoints a temporary Board, and elections
>> are held pretty soon. Wqe in LA have always been willing to help in
>> whatever way we can,m until an official board is established.
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2011, Neil Matatall <neil.matatall at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hello Chapters committee,
>>> I recently gave up my duties as the Orange County, CA chapter lead.
>>  When I left, I declared that the chapter should be merged with the LA
>> chapter because I felt there were no adequate replacements for me in OC.
>>  After the announcement, an individual stepped up.  While I did not believe
>> in him, I wanted to give him a chance.
>>> This was clearly a mistake.  Many people have already come to me seeing
>> what I can do to help them work with said individual.  He is not a bad
>> person, he is just not right as the Orange County chapter lead.  His
>> communication skills alone have made this incredibly frustrating and it is,
>> to be frank, going to officially drive the chapter into the ground.
>>> I have had many unreturned calls and emails and that is just
>> unacceptable.
>>> What is your guidance?  We have others willing to step up?
>>> --
>>> Neil
>> --
>> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>> Board of Directors, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org<http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>> Board of Directors, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org<http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>> OWASP Global Conference Committee
>> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg

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