[Global_chapter_committee] [Committees-chairs] [Global_conference_committee] [owasp-board] Re: 2012 Speaker Agreement Update

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Mar 28 22:22:55 UTC 2012


The speaker agreement is already very clear on the topic of presentation 
branding.

" Speakers are encouraged to include their contact information when 
introducing themselves, but may NOT include their logo on any visual and 
handout materials. Speakers are to avoid any appearance of commercialism 
in their session and presentations are to be of a technical or solutions 
emphasis."

At least 50% of all speakers I have seen violate this, including board 
members.

The question is, do we want to enforce this policy (from Nov 2011)?

- Jim


> A general remark from my side: only use the speaker agreement when in 
> doubt.
> We use this agreement very pragmatically in Belgium and have only 
> pointed to it upfront to speakers when we thought a certain 
> speaker/topic could become a commercial talk.
>
> Otherwise: minimize the red tape :-)
>
> --seba
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Teresa Stevens 
> <teresa-ann-stevens at comcast.net 
> <mailto:teresa-ann-stevens at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with Josh. Thanks,
>
>     Teresa Stevens, CISSP, MSIA, PMMC
>     Information Security Specialist -- Team Leader
>     San Francisco Bay Area
>     510-842-8868 <tel:510-842-8868> (home), 510-872-2187
>     <tel:510-872-2187> (cell)
>
>
>     From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>>
>     Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:13:22 -0500
>     To: Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org
>     <mailto:mark.bristow at owasp.org>>
>     Cc: "owasp-board at owasp.org <mailto:owasp-board at owasp.org>"
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>     <mailto:global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org>>, Eoin
>     <eoin.keary at owasp.org <mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org>>
>     Subject: Re: [Global_chapter_committee]
>     [Global_conference_committee] [owasp-board] Re:
>     [Committees-chairs] 2012 Speaker Agreement Update
>
>     I agree with what Jason said.  I see no reason why a person should
>     not be able to include a company logo in a slide deck regardless
>     of whether they are a corporate member or not.  My $0.02:
>
>     * If the event has a presentation template, then corporate logos
>     should be limited to only the "About Me" page of the presentation.
>
>     ~josh
>
>     On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Mark Bristow
>     <mark.bristow at owasp.org <mailto:mark.bristow at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>         I think these are reasonable changes except the no-logo on the
>         "about me" slide.  I think that's fine if we put a boundry on
>         the size.  The GCC is in the final process of selecting a new
>         presentation template, so this will be easy to add.
>
>         On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org
>         <mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>             I am happy with vendor logo as long as content isn't a
>             vendor pitch or vendor bespoke (ip) and covers off an
>             issue which is in the open  body of knowledge.
>
>
>             Eoin Keary
>             BCC Risk Advisory
>             Owasp Global Board
>             +353 87 977 2988 <tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>
>
>             On 27 Mar 2012, at 16:13, Jason Li <jason.li at owasp.org
>             <mailto:jason.li at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>>             Agreed on the use of the template.
>>
>>             What's the purpose of the restriction on the company logo?
>>
>>             Is it an attempt to spur corporate membership? Is it
>>             meant to remove the "vendor"-ness of a talk?
>>
>>             If the former, I think it actually comes across as
>>             off-putting and might have the opposite effect... If the
>>             latter, then the inclusion of the company logo if and
>>             only if they are an OWASP supporter seems overly
>>             restrictive IMHO in comparison to the goal.
>>
>>             What about updating the template to include a specific
>>             place and limited small size for a logo and mandating the
>>             use of the template? That would limit how much a
>>             presenter could plaster their logo across a presentation.
>>
>>             -Jason
>>
>>             On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Tom Brennan
>>             <tomb at owasp.org <mailto:tomb at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                 Committee(s);
>>
>>                 Today OWASP utilizes a Speaker Agreement that
>>                 outlines the rules for compensation of speakers,
>>                 required templates, audio/visual, vulnerabilities
>>                 disclosure and a laundry list of other terms.
>>
>>                 The Document:
>>                 https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Speaker_Agreement
>>
>>                 With the upcoming long list of AppSec<Regional>,
>>                 AppSec<Global> and chapter events  globally happening
>>                 weekly enforcement of this policy or event policing
>>                 of this policy is difficult however the spirit of the
>>                 speaker agreement in keeping OWASP pure to technical,
>>                 non-evil presentations is important. For many firms
>>                 that employee researchers and allow them to present
>>                 on the company time and include such things as travel
>>                 and lodging to do so they also have policies.  One of
>>                 those policies is many times to utilize a standard
>>                 company slide template while employed with said firm.
>>
>>                 In a attempt to appease the corporate overlords; I
>>                 want to make a simple suggestion that we modify the
>>                 template to include the following language and
>>                 attached logo.   For the new folks...here is a little
>>                 OWASP History for you in 2008 this agreement was
>>                 actually put online  by Kate Hartmann and Jeff
>>                 williams and Myself as we prepared for the AppSecUSA
>>                 2008 particularly from the audio video perspective as
>>                 we were going to video tape it (1st in OWASP History
>>                 at the time) and had other liability issues around
>>                 0-Day disclosure in NYC see edit history:
>>                 https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Speaker_Agreement&action=history
>>                 <https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Speaker_Agreement&action=history>
>>                 and at that event there was only (1) slide deck that
>>                 was non-compliant by my then employer and friend
>>                 Jeremiah Grossman as there was not a mac template
>>                 available <grin>
>>
>>                 ---------------
>>                 For your consideration as Conferences and Chapter
>>                 committees;
>>                 ---------------
>>
>>                 RECOMMENDED CHANGE #1
>>
>>                 "CONTENT
>>                 Speakers are encouraged to include their contact
>>                 information when introducing themselves, but may NOT
>>                 include their logo"
>>
>>                 "CONTENT"
>>                 Speakers are encouraged to include their contact
>>                 information when introducing themselves and may
>>                 include a company logo and a indicator if there
>>                 company is a supporting organization of OWASP
>>                 Foundation and any projects that they are part of"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 RECOMMENDED CHANGE #2
>>
>>                 If my session includes a presentation, I will use the
>>                 Conference Template (OWASP Powerpoint template -
>>                 OWASP Keynote Template (Mac) - OWASP Impress Template
>>                 (Open-/LibreOffice)) or if required to utilize a
>>                 company slide template will also include a OWASP logo
>>                 on each slide
>>                 (https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Marketing#Logos)
>>
>>
>>                 =======
>>
>>
>>                 In my opinion now that we have committees that are
>>                 proxy representatives of the owasp membership
>>                 globally, this this agreement should be reviewed by
>>                 effected committees (conferences and chapters) with
>>                 input from everyone including connections, projects,
>>                 membership, eduction and modified to meet the growth
>>                 and spirit of the community to attract the best and
>>                 brightest speakers in the world and have minimal
>>                 restrictions.
>>
>>                 To continue this review I have put a copy of this
>>                 full document in the current state in draft/edit more
>>                 in OWASP googledocs for everyone to review, edit and
>>                 comment on.
>>
>>                 https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/document/d/1OMAcnSEAElI_ENYP73gSZ4VjxG3JguMYZtt09Pi5vV8/edit
>>
>>                 We are a week away from APPSECDC and APPSECAPAC and
>>                 then events happening all over 2012 worldwide so
>>                 although I realize nothing is FAST in a democratic
>>                 rough consensus voting it should not be overly
>>                 complex to start small and then adjust.
>>
>>                 Reference Materials
>>
>>                 Other speakers agreements to consider in your review
>>                 of this motion
>>
>>                 1) IEEE -
>>                 http://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/rights/index.html
>>
>>                 2) BlackHat -
>>                 https://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-dc-11/registration/bh-dc-11-cfp_terms.html
>>
>>                 3) Defcon -
>>                 https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-19/dc-19-cfp-form.html
>>
>>
>>                 Fun Fun... but important to not just have a policy as
>>                 you would agree.
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Jim Manico

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