[GPC] [Owasp-google-hacking] Update Needed

Christian Heinrich christian.heinrich at owasp.org
Wed Jul 28 00:52:38 EDT 2010


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Paulo Coimbra <paulo.coimbra at owasp.org> wrote:
> As for your answer, below, I believe it is the appropriate time to say that
> I don’t think your facts’ narrative always entirely captures the essence of
> the email-thread you refer. However, I suggest we further clarify the matter
> in the context of the inquiry process in course so as to assure the
> situation is handled with the care, respect and factualness it deserves.

I disagree and my interpretation is supported by
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/nicholas.epley/EpleyKruger.pdf and the
responses to Tom's comment on

The question is if it wasn't someone from Google then who is the
person in question that raised this with Tom Brennan mentioned in the
thread from July 2009.

I am also trying to gauge the benefit to my project from the attached
email threat in light of the fact that I had agreed to discretely
replace the source code - or what I thought might be the source code
[1] - when I returned to Australia rather then play into the hands of
trolls [2]

I have no doubt that the inquiry has been delayed so it will be
twisted to ensure maximum damage to my reputation while OWASP attempts
to distance itself from its lack of action during the entire lifetime
of this project such as the continued removal from the OWASP Leaders
List and recently marking my project inactive (not in September 2009
when requested).

[1] https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-google-hacking/2010-June/000023.html
[2] http://twitter.com/TownyRoberto/status/17237972489

Christian Heinrich - http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh
OWASP "Google Hacking" Project Lead - http://sn.im/owasp_google_hacking
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Subject: Re: [GPC] OWASP "Google Hacking" Project - Status - June 2010
From: Christian Heinrich <christian.heinrich at owasp.org>
To: Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org>
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This OWASP Project has advanced the state of the art from the GHDB by
removing the hype of "Google Hacking" and therefore the community can
now make an informed decision.

I haven't presented this OWASP Project since July 2009 and have
actively discouraged further presentations since due to

I had discussed that
would impact this OWASP Project during the GPC Meeting at OWASP EU

Everyone who has wanted to contribute to this project has been allowed
too (i.e. most recently

While from my perspective this is a direct conflict with acting in a
responsible manner (based on the second complaint from Google), the
source code is available (again) from

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
> Guys it is very simple.
> 1) this project add zero value to OWASP Foundation effort "Our mission is=
 to make application security visible, so that people and organizations can=
 make informed decisions about true application security risks"
> 2) If the project is not "OPEN" and there is no source code for it, we sh=
ould move to delete the project. hence #1
> 3) continuing to present a project around that is not open is not of bene=
fit for OWASP Foundation Inc.
> 4) the project page is NOT update, there is no collaborative effort here
> 5) here is the video of the preso: =A0http://video.google.com/videoplay?d=
> 6) the project page has no other persons involved in the effort:
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Google_Hacking_Project
> Christian, why should this project continue under the OWASP Flag? =A0Why =
should Paulo note remove it on or before the end of this month?
> I am still in Sweden and would love to talk to you personally about this =
you can reach me at 973-506-9303 anytime

Christian Heinrich - http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh
OWASP "Google Hacking" Project Lead - http://sn.im/owasp_google_hacking

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