[Global_chapter_committee] FW: DEF CON Reimbursement

Tom Brennan tomb at owasp.org
Wed Aug 31 20:59:16 EDT 2011


Excellent points.  So you would agree that this is a committee issue for the GCC - hence the purpose of the global committee

https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Global_Chapter_Committee


On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:52 PM, "Lorna Alamri" <lorna.alamri at owasp.org> wrote:

> As a chapter leader and an OWASP Fund Raiser, I'm uncomfortable with not
> having tight controls and limits around how chapter funds are used for
> Chapter leaders travel. In development you put in a separation of duties as
> a control and I think something similar should be done within OWASP for
> Chapter Funds being used for travel as well. 
> 
> I don't think it's appropriate that I raise funds, and then approve using
> those funds for my OWASP related travel. The corporate sponsors and members
> of our chapter have donated funds because they want us to be able to bring
> in great speakers for meetings, hold training and conference events. I feel
> there is a strong argument for funding Chapter leaders to travel for OWASP
> from chapter funds.
> 
> However, thought needs to be put into how chapter funds could be misused and
> policies put in place to mitigate the risk. It would be very damaging to
> OWASP as a whole if chapter funds were misused and the OWASP Foundation
> needs to think about the ramifications if allegations are made regarding
> chapter funds misuse as though it would be a local incident it could have
> much further impact than just regional. 
> 
> As OWASP is a growing organization it must be kept in mind that we are
> setting precedent with these decisions. I think Dave is right to hold up a
> flag and say wait we need to think this through. 
> 
> Regards,
> Lorna
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: global_chapter_committee-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> [mailto:global_chapter_committee-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Dave
> Wichers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:27 PM
> To: 'Christian Heinrich'
> Cc: global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: Re: [Global_chapter_committee] FW: DEF CON Reimbursement
> 
> My question has nothing to do with what Richard does, or where he works.
> It's simply a question of whether this type of chapter expense is something
> we want to allow. I'm not hard over here. I'm just interested in people's
> opinions. I personally don't think it’s the best use of a chapter's funds,
> and I'm not really sure it's an appropriate use either, but that’s my
> opinion. Best use is the chapter's responsibility and I fully support their
> freedom to choose.
> 
> Appropriate use is an OWASP chapter expense guidelines question, which is
> the question I posed.
> 
> -Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Heinrich [mailto:christian.heinrich at owasp.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:20 PM
> To: Dave Wichers
> Cc: global_chapter_committee at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: Re: [Global_chapter_committee] FW: DEF CON Reimbursement
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I wish to highlight that since Richard is employed by the Los Angeles County
> Department of Public Health i.e. an end user and *not* a vendor and/or
> consultancy, then in my opinion there is no perceived conflict of interest
> or exploitation of OWASP.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I'm not trying to make a mountain of out nothing here, but I don't 
>> know if I would consider this an appropriate chapter expense. And on 
>> top of that, the chapter was already represented by at least two other 
>> members being there already.
>> 
>> I'd like to get the entire committee's thoughts on the appropriateness 
>> of this type of expense. I've never seen an expense like this for OWASP
> before.
>> I know Tin's opinion since he approved this for his local chapter in 
>> the first place, so I'm interested in the rest of the committee's
> thoughts.
>> 
>> -Dave
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alison McNamee [mailto:alison.mcnamee at owasp.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:29 PM
>> To: Dave Wichers
>> Cc: Kate Hartmann
>> Subject: FW: DEF CON Reimbursement
>> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Please see Tin's response below concerning Richard Greenberg's 
>> reimbursement from the LA Chapter funds for travel to DEF CON.  Is it 
>> ok to go ahead and mail this check?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Alison Shrader
>> The OWASP Foundation
>> 9175 Guilford Road, Suite 300
>> Columbia, MD 21046
>> 1-301-575-0197
>> 1-443-283-4021 (Fax)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tin Zaw [mailto:tin.zaw at owasp.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 3:38 PM
>> To: Alison McNamee
>> Cc: Richard Greenberg
>> Subject: Re: DEF CON Reimbursement
>> 
>> Alison,
>> 
>> Richard was not presenting OWASP material at the conference, but 
>> Richard is instrumental in recruiting speakers and sponsors for LA chapter
> meetings.
>> DEFCON is a perfect ground for such event, and he got good leads there.
>> Cassio and I were there too but we were lucky enough to be sponsored 
>> by our employers, but Richard was not, and hence we decided to support his
> trip.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Alison McNamee 
>> <alison.mcnamee at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Tin,
>>> 
>>> I just want to verify why the LA chapter is paying for Richard's 
>>> travel to DEF CON.  Was he presenting on OWASP there?
>>> 
>>> Thanks!!
>>> 
>>> Alison Shrader
>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>> 9175 Guilford Road, Suite 300
>>> Columbia, MD 21046
>>> 1-301-575-0197
>>> 1-443-283-4021 (Fax)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tin Zaw [mailto:tin.zaw at owasp.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:06 PM
>>> To: alison mcnamee
>>> Cc: Richard Greenberg; Cassio Goldschmidt
>>> Subject: Fwd: DEF CON Reimbursement
>>> 
>>> Alison,
>>> 
>>> Please reimburse Richard with $533.98 from LA chapter funds.
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Richard Greenberg <richard.greenberg at owasp.org>
>>> Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: DEF CON Reimbursement
>>> To: Tin Zaw <tin.zaw at owasp.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tin,
>>> 
>>> Please find attached my travel expenses for DEF CON. I have not 
>>> billed for food or admittance to the conference.
>>> 
>>> Airfare: $215
>>> Hotel: $119.08
>>> Taxi: $199.90
>>> Total: $533.98
>>> 
>>> My mailing address is:
>>> 5920 Stoneview Dr
>>> Culver City, Ca 90232
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>>> Board of Directors, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org Board of 
>>> Directors, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org OWASP Global Conference 
>>> Committee
>>> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tin Zaw, CISSP, CSSLP
>>> Chapter Leader and President, OWASP Los Angeles Chapter Chair, OWASP 
>>> Global Chapter Committee Google Voice: (213) 973-9295
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tinzaw
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Tin Zaw, CISSP, CSSLP
>> Chapter Leader and President, OWASP Los Angeles Chapter Chair, OWASP 
>> Global Chapter Committee Google Voice: (213) 973-9295
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tinzaw
>> 
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> 
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Christian Heinrich
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh
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